All things came from Anu and padomay, Akatosh may have been the first Aedra, but i don't think that would mean others birthed from it.

Well he didn't literally give birth to them, but he created time which allowed the rest of the lesser Aedra to exist.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Monomyth



Whatever way you chop it, you cannot call Akatosh Anuiel just because Akatosh was formed from Anuiel, they are separate entities. In the same way that Alduin is a separate entity from Akatosh.

You mean dissociative identity disorder (split personalities). There is a difference between schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder; schizophrenia is basically a split reality, but the personality is still whole; their mind is stuck switching between two worlds or realities. Hallucinations cause the real world to become feared and they retreat to their fantasy world, which becomes even more horrific and goes from a place of solitude to a place of imprisonment. From our world, to Sovengarde; when the disorder becomes stronger, it eventually becomes much like Mehrunes Dagon's and/or Molag Bal's planes while the inhabitants of their Sovengarde becoming the Dremora and Daedroth.

Split personalities; a person experiences only one reality: the real world. The problem is that they're experiencing it through a mind that is fragmented. The main personality suffers amnesia of what went on during the personality/personalities that have split. Akatosh (the main personality) remembers saving the world but not destroying it, while Alduin (his split) would remember saving the world during Oblivion and destroying it.


tl;dr-- Schizophrenia is one person living in two worlds, while split personalities is kind of like two people (in the same body) living in one world. Sorry about the little psychology lesson; I just have a lot of passion about the field ^_^

Protip: Read the in-game book "Alduin is Real."

Yes but the Nords were mistaken. Alduin is Akatosh's first born.

They aren't the same, though

Akatosh Birthed Alduin in his Image right?

So you found that book "The Alduin/Akatosh Dichotomy"?

Exactly they also see all mer as the same thing, so you really can't take anything they say to be credible.

Some say Alduin is Akatosh, some say M'aiq is a liar. Don't believe any of these things.

Alduin say he is "The first born of Akatosh". In other words he is Akatosh's son.

Yes but he rebelled. There's also the Kalpa bit, where Alduin eradicates every being on Nirn and sends them to Sovngarde, where he consumes their souls.



He's not just his son, he is part of him. Like an arm is part of a human being. Other dragons are his sons, alduin is part of Akatosh himself, literally.

What? It says in that link that he is the First son of Akatosh, as paarthunax refers to him, but Alduin see's himself more than that, and self proclaims himself an aspect of Akatosh himself. He wasn't self proclaiming to be his son.

Alduin is right though. As I said, he's literally part of Akatosh, like an arm is one part of a human being. Normal dragons can die and cannot consume souls, unlike Alduin.

But if Alduin is slain, would that not break the dragon - and all the consequences that brings (Loss of linear time).

Maybe the dragons are just uber powerful (well from a lore perspective :tongue: ) creatures who also share a pantheon of Gods. For all we know they revere Akatosh as their God and Alduin is just proclaiming himself to be this Avatar Dragon Jesus of Doom. (It's basically if some uberpowerful aliens came to earth and proclaiming they are angels sent by God. They can perform feats we couldn't dream of. There will be people who believe that, generations and generations later, everyone believes that).

All i want to make clear is that stuff like Akatosh/Alduin is ripe for interpretation, guessing and wild theories. I personally think they are completely different from each other. One being a deity (in whatever form that might be in the Elder Scrolls, as far as i know we've never seen anything from the Gods except their blessings, but that could be a placebo effect), the other being a very powerful dragon. Who...



I could do this all day.

alduin is NOT akatosh. he is the first born of akatosh. its revealed by parthurnax. on the throat of the world through one of the speach options.

Yes, but what does that mean exactly?

Dragons are Elhnofey? Seems unlikely, but I dont know.