What do you think would happened if for some reason or another Titus mede did not became rule of the empire. Would the events for the past 200 years be any different?

Some other Colovian warmonger would gather his thugs and take The City.

Smart money is on the Valgas (Valgi?)

Ask yourself this, for perspective: if Charlemagne never made the Holy Roman Empire, what would have happened come the Renaissance? Well, some other barbarian warlord would have beaten down enough rivals to unite a sizeable kingdom.

If it were not Mede, some other Colovian warlord would have conqured the Imperial City and began to reunite the Empire. Beyond that, who can say? We are told Titus I was a savvy politician and a fearsome military commander, so likely things would have been worse in the short term, but there are a lot of variables and maybe-stories in the interim.

I guess if one of the alternatives isn't the politician Titus us maybe they would lose more provinces at a faster rate?

Interesting question. Well, I'd imagine that we would still have conflicting warlords in Cyrodiil.
But since most, if not all characters in The Infernal City / The Lord of Souls have a connection to Titus Mede..
The story would become fractured, desperate. No doubt Umbriel would be stopped eventually. But at what cost?

So since most of Tamriel would be in tatters, the provinces would be easy prey for the Old Mary dominion.
Perhaps alliances between High Rock and Hammerfell would be formed to fight against them initially.
But when those fall to a stand still, what then? retreat to the remnants of the old empire in Skyrim? rally the warlords of cyrodiil?

Honestly I think only Argonia could fight the Thalmor in a battle of fisticuffs and win, if not them, a multi-national alliance of humans and rebels.
It'd be a repeat of Alessia with the Ayleids, that's for sure. But without the Empire's enforcing beliefs, they might hold a chance to unite against them.

How about both?

With no peace in Cyrodiil, I'd expect one of the other Kingdoms to enter the war and take the jewel of Rumare for themselves. I don't quite know how the timing works out on this one, but could the temporary leadership structure set up to co-ordinate the extermination of Orsinium be used to unite Hammerfell and High Rock to install some joint puppet on the throne? If not, I'm sure Skyrim would just step in as they have before.

If the blood on the throne was western: I think the Thalmor would be far more insidious, and try to exterminate Talos through peace, since Hammerfell and High Rock are both fairly religiously sympathetic to the Thalmor. The position of the Emperor (Pupetus II) would be weak, but the Empire wouldn't be wracked with war.

If the blood on the throne was northern: The great war would have started earlier, still be raging, and have a much higher body count.

I wanna change my answer:


Supreme Under-Admiral of The Thalassopublic of The Dreugh Nation, Aqualord Squidberto Molluskowitz D'Cod rises from the Niben with a force of Skarshell-frigates enough to make the Dominion Navy afraid to even bath themselves in a domestic tub. "The Dreughish Armada" as it comes to be called, sails to Nibennium unopposed, and seizes Ruby Throne, D'Cod claiming descent from the original dynasty that ruled Ald-Cyrod-Submerge'd eons past. Thules and Gibbering and all dissenters on the Elder Council being ritualistically stuffed with crab meat and broiled (alive) at 350 degrees for 15 minutes.

Yeah! Screw you, Valgas!

The Carolingian Renaissance wasn't the Italian Renaissance, we can't attribute the Italian one directly to Charlemagne since his sort of empire thing sort of collapsed under the reigns of his sons who split it up. Otto the first revived some ideas of the HRE 150 years later, and that might be a better place to start.

Difficulty. Humans and argonians never get along. The Hist do not like the descendants of the ehlnofey very much.
Indeed, a source tells of the knahaten flu being manipulated into form by the use of the Hist's spores, from an argonian shaman.
And a seperate aspect of The Hist directly helped Umbriel wipe the many foreign influences in Black Marsh.

So unless the Hist or argonians were being directly threatened by some kind of arcane anti-matter bomb from the Thalmor,
the Ann-Xileel will not intervene. However if the Thalmor managed to cut their way through Cyrodiil and started culling populations
of Black Marsh, there will definitely be contact to Skyrim and any other remaining human kingdoms. Or maybe they'd just beat them
back enough (like they did with Dagon's forces) to allow the human nations a chance to make a precision strike at the Thalmor.

It wasn't a specific metaphor. I felt Big Chuck was suitable because he and Titus I are similar in standing, the strongest and most savvy warlord in the area invoking the glory of a previous, only peripherally (if that) related Empire to try to invent some legitimacy for their own.

Which is why if he had any REAL political savvy at all, he would have taken on the Septim name.

I knew I bought something strange in the market district...

Wasn't that explicitly described to be a rumour, and only mentioned in the first Pocket Guide, back when everyone was racist?

I believe so. However, considering the matter of The Infernal City's events, it doesn't seem impossible that it was the probable explanation.

Mede kind of sounds tame and well meaning, as far power grabs go. It could have just been a pragmatic move, and he saw that he had the means to take charge of an empire that didn't know what to do with itself. The land needed order restored.

Anyways, something else would have gone wrong. Probably sooner without Mede.. at least he kept a facade that the empire was thriving. But it's fate is sealed either way, without a dragonborn.