I am not going to debate you crazy theory yet again. The Canon clearly states America closed its borders. The world was falling apart. West Tek which got most of its money from the American military would not be allowed to work in other countries. It would be like American military companies being allowed to give China and other countries the latest top secret research freely.

America had no reason to have bases around the world. The world told America to screw off and America did the same to the rest of the world. There were no alliances left, not natural resources to protect anymore.

All the good Fallout Tech we know and love came after 2050. American culture did spread before that time, but that was hundreds of years ago and after a global nuclear war, and before that a European wide war with itself and with the Middle East.

I am not saying Fallout can't take place in Europe. But the tech we know and love like Power Armour is American only. No other country had it. I am not going to debate you on that issue because your dead wrong.

Edit: Sorry to yell at you.

Good that you like the location, it has a lot of potential (good art by the way - you should do more about the actual locales), I've been suggesting this since 2008 (like my big post in the spec.sugg. thread).

I'd be glad if you could suggest what I should draw, maybe that can be a good kick in my behind to get started with it again. I haven't drawn any more of that concept art for several months, just some art of Skavens and currently a Fallout Tactics fan art. I need ze inspiration!

Why doesnt Vajan get banned for spamming about Europe and such?

I hope Detroit shows up for sure

For drawing try this:
Detroit concept: Most people walking normally within the concept of Class system reintroduced, upper and lower classes both introduced... Upper and lower class citicens, etc. (It's hard to speculate a drawing).
Windsor: Like a 1800 era settlers with same religious set up (and a hint of the Fallout science). But with a twist of 20th century science.

Hmm.. I'll see what I can do, my idea for Detroit and Windsor are different like Detroit's run by the decendants of car factory workers and are tech-savvy in that they can build anything from junk (kind of steampunkish) and that Windsor is a dangerous place where people don't really want to settle. Could be something more like, going what I've already written (it's beneath the images in my gallery), that some people is running some kind of company where they arrange for settlers to come there, settle by the water saying it's a safe zone. Or they have some kind of tour company, taking people in there because it's an exiting place (kind of like on http://romanticallyapocalyptic.com/70 page of Romantically Apocalyptic) leaving out that it's very dangerous. I was thinking about putting a class system somewhere too, though. Maybe I should try and incorporate that into the detroit faction.

Edit: I remembered I have a drawing of a rather big group of explorers going into Windsor, being watched from the shadows and fog by some mutant monsters. It's unfinished and not too good imo, I'll upload it and show it whenever I get the time!

My idea of the setting was about:
Detroit is a home for a highly tech adcanved faction, who have a central city, and outskirts combined of tech and squalor and causing clashes with the classes, Whereas the Windsor area would be about people low on tech, but generally in high in spirits, though [censored] up other ways. And stuff like that, I don't go too much into specifics, because that makes too far definitions.

No i know its hard for you to debate when you don't have any proof and nothing to back up yore sorry whit!

USA is to day isolated to Cuba and still they have a base their = yes they have foot hole next em
USA is to day isolated to many Arab states but still they operate their = so yes they operate in areas that is isolated!

and if you lock at history a new war-toy or tactics works only 1 time and next time the rest off the known world have pict ot up copy and mace counter mechur on it.

The world was falling apart, and so did USA to!
Private company's seldom do as their government tell them to do, they do what bring in the cach, maybe not to china if they don't become infiltrated by a spy or communist sympathiser, but nothing in practice will prevent them to do it whit the rest of the world spec if they have a office and pree 2050 co- op!

you know i can mack a long long list on way USA have base's world wide, spec that we know they had in China and Pacific and so on....

yes it was 100 years plus of cultural exchange followed by WW3!

and we know china was working on PA don't even try to say any thing ells...
marc well i don't say all tech was global, just that we have no idea howe well spread the tech was, we note even know all USA based company's that made em.
and on top on this you have to ad hove stuffs was spread and produced after the bombs till the next game starts.

Way wood i?
what rule have i abused?
what wrong have i done?
i just tell the truth!

or do you thing that everyone that don't agree whit you 100 % have to be banned?

He's just mad because he can't talk about aliens anymore, but he is also right, Fallout isn't going outside of America, it just wouldn't be remotely the same in another country.

Exactly. Fallout will not leave America. 'Nuff said.

I got banned for 'spamming' about Aliens, when all you do is 'spam' about Europe.

Get over yourself kid.

You have nothing to debate with but your own option and ideas. I on the other hand have canon to back up what I say. America abandoned the rest of the world. They didn't have bases around the world at the time of the great war.

America was not giving or selling Power Armour or laser weapons or other tec to other countries.

There are no more resources for America to give a flying crap about any other countries. Which means no need to have bases all round the world. They no longer have allies anymore, so no need to have forces in other countries like South Korea or even Germany. They really couldn't careless about what happens to their past allies. They no longer have a reason to care. Its not like they are going to get anything out of it. No more resources like Oil and Gas to protect and no more allies to help out. So that means no need to have troops around the world to protect that oil and gas.

America has space based weapons and satellites so they don't need bases in other countries to tell what is going on.

American culture would have spread around the world before the 2050s, but remember Fallout is now in the 2280s! Long after the world war that destroyed everyting. People in France aren't going to be speaking English and listning to American 1950s music and drinking Nuka-Coka. You will not find that anywhere in Europe or anywhere, outside of North America.

The problem with you is you are thinking in terms of our world and our timeline. You aren't thinking Fallout and taking into account what happened in the Fallout Universe. And you clearly aren't taking into account that its been over 200 years since 2077 and America long before 2077 told the rest of the world rot in hell.

I am not saying Fallout can't take place outside of North America, but to expect to see PA, Laser Weapons, Robots, American 1950s music and Super Mutants is just completely delusional.

It would be very interesting to see if the differences are still their from our own timeline.

I like the idea of going to the Commonwealth, it seems most likely if we go by the clues in Fallout 3, but then again the Commonwealth is the only place outside of DC they really talk about so that's not saying much.

PA, Laser Weapons, Robots, American 1950s music and Super Mutants ?

and still nothing that back up your claims!

you cant base 100% intel on satellites, spec when the world have mowed down underground in vaults and bunkers.

Everything in Fallout canon backs up what he says. You sound like a lunatic ranting that the earth is flat.

Stop already just stop, your the one with NO proof for ANYTHING you say. Your making stuff up then believing it, that doesn't make it canon to anyone but you.

i have proof on what i say and have earlier bact it up, its you that don't have any proof, and if you have its time to present them!

and you treat the main land as one unit, Europe USSR, Asia/china and the rest of the continent have many local events. just that France was the main battlefield and locked as the ww1 front dozen mean that Scandinavia/Nordic area, Ireland and Iberia was the same wasteland. yes the hole world was grinded down and lost most off there offensive resource's and digged down in small hubs ( you don't need that mutch resource's to dig down a good defense and keep work on already started projects) and stayed there till to game world date.

In fact wen i came to this forum i can admit that i was not 100% on my ides, it was only ides but after this 347 post′s i have done i needed to do reseege and diff work to back up my posts so all your stick the head in the sand and tries to scare me off have only result in mack my point stronger and more solid.


but yes why wood Europe mace crappy laser guns when they already was macing mutch better and more effective energy weapon's!

Just to compare, just lock at Japan And Germany at the end off WW2 what uber tech and superior units they was able to produce whit almost no resources at all.

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