Recurring crash with Tears Of The Fiend (SPOILERS) : IV

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:17 pm

Hey y'all, once again!

So, I junked my old character (RIP Kevsterr the Imperial, felled by a corrupt save :cryvaultboy:

) and started a new one. So far, most of my problems have just been because of a little too much abuse of the setstage command to get to where I was but it's been manageable.

However, one recurring crash I've been having has been in Simyaz's excellent Tears Of The Fiend where I get a CTD when

Spoiler

I enter the abyss for the second time.

I'm really enjoying the mod and my new character, but I'm starting to worry if it's a corrupt save again.

I tried loading a old save and redoing what I did and the same thing happened, which was alarming. I was reading somewhere that the abyss is prone to creating corrupt saves so that may very well be it but I wanted to be sure anyway.

Anyway, here's my load order!

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  GTAesgaard_2.esm03  Windfall.esm04  Jog_X_Mod.esm05  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.2]06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 5.0]07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 5.0]08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]09  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0A  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0B  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0C  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]0D  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0E  Artifacts.esm0F  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 5.1.6]10  BetterMusicSystem.esm11  CURP_Controller.esm**  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack Vwalk.esp12  TRoN.esp**  TRoN Vwalk.esp**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp13  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]14  UOPS Additional Changes.esp++  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp15  DLCShiveringIsles.esp16  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.5.0]17  USIPS Additional Changes.esp18  Better Cities .esp  [Version 4.7.0]19  Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp  [Version 5.0]1A  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp  [Version 5.0]1B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp  [Version 5.0]1C  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp  [Version 5.0]++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1D  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1E  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp1F  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.33]20  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.2]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]21  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]22  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp23  MIS.esp24  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp25  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp++  Diverse Voices.esp  [Version 0.1a]26  Storms & Sound.esp27  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.2]28  WindowLightingSystem.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp29  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]2A  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp  [Version 1.0]2B  SMTXKhajiitPawsAsAbility_v04RMHGEC.esp**  VA_BetterGold.esp2C  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]2D  FormID Finder4.esp2E  kuerteeActorDetails.esp2F  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp30  kuerteeCleanUp.esp31  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]32  DLCHorseArmor.esp**  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]33  DLCOrrery.esp34  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp35  DLCVileLair.esp36  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]37  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp38  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp39  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp**  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  CM_Better Wine_SI.esp++  FineWeapons.esp3A  NexonsArmoryENG.esp3B  PureSteelBlade.esp**  mz_Shields.esp3C  mz_Shields_SI.esp3D  Thieves Arsenal.esp++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp**  Armamentium female.esp3E  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp3F  DLCThievesDen.esp40  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]41  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp42  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]43  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp44  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]45  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]46  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp47  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]4A  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]4B  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp4C  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]**  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]4D  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]4E  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]53  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]54  Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO (No Spell Change).esp55  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp56  KnightlyArmory.esp57  00RBScribeSupplies Intensive.esp58  Artifacts.esp**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]59  JolardHome.esp  [Version 4.7.0]5A  GlenvarCastle.esp**  GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp5B  GTAesgaard_2.esp5C  Servant of the Dawn.esp5D  Slof's Oblivion Goth Shop.esp5E  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]**  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp5F  thievery.esp++  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]60  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp61  Windfall.esp**  Windfall Vwalk.esp62  za_bankmod.esp63  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp64  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]65  DLCfrostcrag.esp66  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp**  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp67  Knights.esp**  Knights - Book Jackets.esp68  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  Knights Vwalk.esp**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp69  TOTF.esp**  TOTF Vwalk.esp6A  RTT.esp**  RTT Vwalk.esp6B  Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp  [Version 1.4]6C  Blood&Mud.esp++  Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp6D  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.3.1]6E  The Mystery of the Dulan Cult.esp6F  MannimarcoComplete.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SlofsHorses.esp++  FCOM_OMGSRT.esp  [Version 0.9.9]70  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]71  MTCThievesGrottoV4.1.esp**  MTCThievesGrottoV4.1 Vwalk.esp72  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.8]**  Faregyl Vwalk.esp73  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]74  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]75  xulTheHeath.esp76  XulEntiusGorge.esp77  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]78  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]79  ThievesGrotto-ColovianHighlands patch.esp7A  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]**  xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp7B  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]7C  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.3]**  xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp7D  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]7E  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]7F  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]80  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]81  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]82  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]83  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]**  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat Vwalk.esp84  xulPantherRiver.esp85  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp86  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]87  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]**  xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp88  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]**  xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp89  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]8A  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]8B  Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp8C  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp8D  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp8E  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]**  xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp8F  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.4]90  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp++  OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  GatesToAesgaardEp2-Snowdale patch.esp  [Version 1.0]91  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]92  OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.2]**  xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp93  MannimarcoResurrection-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]94  MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp  [Version 1.0]95  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.2]96  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.0]97  OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]98  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]**  xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp99  MannimarcoResurrection-EasternPeaks patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9A  bartholm.esp9B  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  bartholm Vwalk.esp9C  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]++  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9D  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp9E  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]9F  AutoBookPlacer.esp  [Version 3.02]A0  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp++  Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.espA1  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]A2  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.espA3  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.espA4  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espA5  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]A6  ATakesAll.esp++  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]A7  MQSDone.espA8  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.1.2]A9  RenGuardOverhaul.espAA  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.76]AB  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espAC  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Khajiit Fix.esp++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp**  Jjiinx_MorrowindStyleArgonians.esp++  Better Looking Dark Elves.espAD  Better Looking Redguards v2.espAE  Better Looking Wood Elves COBL.espAF  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B0  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B1  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B2  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]B3  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]B4  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 1.0]**  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.esp++  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.espB5  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 5.1.7]B6  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.7]++  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.7]**  Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp++  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]++  Better Cities B&M - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.9.5]B7  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 5.0.0]B8  RTT_Unofficial_Patch.espB9  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]BA  Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp  [Version 4.8.4]BB  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 5.0.8]BC  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]BD  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]++  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.0]BE  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]BF  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C0  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp++  Visually Enchanted Frost 1.esp++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp**  Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]C1  MiniMap.espC2  UnderdarkSaga.esp**  UnderdarkSaga Vwalk.esp**  Sensual Walks.esp**  Sensual Walks SI.esp**  Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3.2]++  AgainstTheZealotsOfTheNine-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]C3  Lera's Clothes for Men.espC4  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I'm running OBSE v20 with OSR using heapmode 6, ConScribe, Elys USV, FastExit 2, OBGEv3.1 RC, Pluggy and MenuQue.

My current system is a Core i7 920 at 2.67ghz, a GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1gb and 6gb of RAM, all of which are running on Windows 8 CP 64-bit. My oblivion exe is patched with the LAA flag.

Once again, ANY AND ALL HELP IS WELCOME AND APPRECIATED

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:47 pm

Hm, maybe it was a bad idea to put spoilers in the OP?

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:30 pm

Bump because this has basically grinded my game to a halt. I tried waiting three days and the crash still happens in the Abyss.

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:37 pm

Absouletely no one can help me this time? Do I need to start a new character THIS soon?

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:37 am

Probably a mod conflict......... I can't find much info for a crash at that point, might wanna look thru the documentation that came with the download.

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:12 pm

I did. Problem is it's a completely different world space so I'm drawing a blank as to what could be affecting it.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:20 pm

Is there a tutorial on TES4EDIT that would show me how to see if there is a conflict?

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:43 pm

Could I get a mod in here to change the topic title and remove spoilers? I think I scared a lot of people away.

» Wed May 02, 2012 3:03 pm

Click on "Report" button on the first post to call attention to the moderator. In the report, mention what you want changed.

You can edit your post with spoiler tags.

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:15 pm

There we go then!

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:18 am

Ok, there seems to be a problem with the bashed patch. Loading without the bashed patch stops the crashing but I kinda need the bashed patch with my LO. Thoughts? Suggestions?

» Wed May 02, 2012 2:52 pm

Rebuild the patch. It's probably got a bad reference hanging around in it somewhere. Can't help much beyond that, when last I played TOTF it ran fine and I had no trouble getting past the Abyss.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:38 pm

Nope, that didn't work. Should I note that I'm running a old SVN of WB (2318)?

EDIT: Upgrading to the newest SVN (2353) didn't fix it either.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:09 am

I'm not sure how much info is given in the documentation for TOTF, but if you can find a list of the different stages of the quest, you can use the console with "setstage" to advance the quest to its next stage, bypassing the point where your game is exploding, and then you wouldn't have to enter the abyss with its nasty crash. I know it's no fun to not be able to play through that part of the quest, but at least you'd be able to continue and finish the rest of it.

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:50 pm

Well, I'm fully able to complete the section if I don't load my bashed patch but that's a lot of mods that don't get loaded and could possibly cause a lot more trouble later on down the road. Is there anyway I can show what I have in my bashed patch so I could pinpoint where it's going wrong?

Edit: Oh wait here it is: Bashed Patch, Oblivion.esp Config:

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== Patch Mode ** CBash v0.6.0== Merge Patches ** Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp ** FCOM_Francescos.esp ** FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp ** All Natural - MMM Patch.esp ** Symphony of Violence.esp ** Diverse Voices.esp ** Item interchange - Extraction.esp ** DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp ** MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp ** CM_Better Wine_SI.esp ** FineWeapons.esp ** Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp ** FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp ** FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp ** OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp ** FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp ** FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp ** FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp ** FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp ** FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp ** FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp ** FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp ** ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp ** MMM-Cobl.esp ** Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp ** thievery - EE patch.esp ** Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp ** FCOM_Knights.esp ** FCOM_WelkyndSwordBlood&Mud.esp ** FCOM_SlofsHorses.esp ** FCOM_OMGSRT.esp ** OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp ** Better Cities - House price patch.esp ** Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp ** Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp ** Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp ** Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp ** Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp ** Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp ** Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp ** EVE_KhajiitFix.esp ** Khajiit Fix.esp ** Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp ** Better Looking Dark Elves.esp ** bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp ** bgMagicItemSigil.esp ** bgMagicEVStartspells.esp ** bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp ** bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp ** bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp ** bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp ** Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.esp ** Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp ** Better Cities - All Natural.esp ** Better Cities B&M - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp ** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp ** Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp ** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp ** bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp ** Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp ** Visually Enchanted Frost 1.esp ** Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp ** Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp ** AgainstTheZealotsOfTheNine-JerallGlacier patch.esp== Import Actors ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** UOPS Additional Changes.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp ** DLCThievesDen.esp ** DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Oblivion WarCry EV.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp ** FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** JolardHome.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp ** Blood&Mud - EE patch.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp ** RenGuardOverhaul.esp ** bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp== Import Actors: AI Packages ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** UOPS Additional Changes.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** DLCOrrery.esp ** DLCThievesDen.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** Knights.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Origin of the Mages Guild.esp ** Faregyl.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp ** Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp ** Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp== Import Actors: Animations ** CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack Vwalk.esp ** TRoN Vwalk.esp ** TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk.esp ** DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp ** DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp ** DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp ** GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp ** The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp ** DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp ** Knights Vwalk.esp ** TOTF Vwalk.esp ** RTT Vwalk.esp ** Blood&Mud Vwalk.esp ** MTCThievesGrottoV4.1 Vwalk.esp ** Faregyl Vwalk.esp ** xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp ** xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp ** xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat Vwalk.esp ** xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp ** xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp ** xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp ** xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp ** xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp ** xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp ** bartholm Vwalk.esp ** bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp ** bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.esp ** Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp ** UnderdarkSaga Vwalk.esp ** Sensual Walks.esp ** Sensual Walks SI.esp ** Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp== Import Actors: Death Items ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** Oblivion WarCry EV.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp== Import Actors: Spells ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp ** Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp== Import Cells ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** All Natural.esp ** All Natural - SI.esp ** Immersive Interiors.esp ** Storms & Sound.esp ** DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp ** DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp ** DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp ** DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp ** DLCThievesDen.esp ** DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp ** DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp ** DLCfrostcrag.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** xuldarkforest.esp ** xulArriusCreek.esp ** xulCheydinhalFalls.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp ** Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp ** Better Imperial City.esp ** Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp ** Better Cities - All Natural.esp ** Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp ** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp ** Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp ** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp ** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp ** Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp ** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp== Import Factions ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** FCOM_Convergence.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** DLCfrostcrag.esp ** Knights.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** FCOM_Knights.esp ** Faregyl.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp== Import Graphics ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** All Natural - Real Lights.esp ** Book Jackets Oblivion.esp ** VA_BetterGold.esp ** DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Book Jackets DLC.esp ** GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp ** FineWeapons.esp ** mz_Shields.esp ** mz_Shields_SI.esp ** Armamentium female.esp ** Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp ** Oblivion WarCry EV.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp ** FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp ** ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp ** Knights - Book Jackets.esp ** EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp ** FCOM_SlofsHorses.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp ** Harvest [Flora].esp ** Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp ** _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp ** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp ** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp ** bgMagicEVShader.esp ** Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp ** Visually Enchanted Frost 1.esp ** Visually Enchanted Shock 1.esp ** Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp== Import Inventory ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Oblivion WarCry EV.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp ** FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp ** FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** MMM-Cobl.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp ** Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp== Import NPC Faces ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp ** TNR ALL RACES FINAL Vwalk.esp ** TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp ** Blood&Mud.esp ** _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp ** Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp ** Jjiinx_MorrowindStyleArgonians.esp ** Better Looking Redguards v2.esp ** bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp ** bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp== Import Names    Guard_Names.csv ** Oblivion.esm    OOO_Potion_Names.csv    Random_NPC_Alternate_Names.csv    Random_NPC_Names.csv    Rational_Names.csv ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp ** bgMagicEV.esp== Import Relations ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** FCOM_Convergence.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** Knights.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** Origin of the Mages Guild.esp ** FCOM_Knights.esp ** Faregyl.esp== Import Scripts ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** All Natural - MMM Patch.esp ** MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp ** Atmospheric Oblivion.esp ** All Natural - Real Lights.esp ** DLCHorseArmor.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp ** FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** Ungarion1TheWelkyndSword.esp ** Harvest [Flora].esp ** Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp== Import Sounds ** Symphony of Violence.esp== Import Stats ** Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm ** Mart's Monster Mod.esm ** Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp ** UOPS Additional Changes.esp ** Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp ** Oblivion WarCry EV.esp ** FCOM_WarCry.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** FCOM_Convergence.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp ** FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp ** Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp ** Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp ** FCOM_Archery.esp== Tweak Assorted    All Armor Playable    All Clothing Playable    Armor Shows Amulets    Armor Shows Rings ** Bow Reach Fix    Clothing Shows Amulets    Clothing Shows Rings ** DarNified Books ** Default Icons    Disable Wind    Faction crime Gold Multiplier Fix    Harvest Chance [10%] ** Magic: Script Effect Silencer    No Description Loading Screens    No Light Fade Value Fix    No Light Flicker    Number of uses for pre-enchanted weapons and Staffs/Staves [1] ** Nvidia Fog Fix    Reweigh: Arrows [0]    Reweigh: Ingredients [0.1]    Reweigh: Potions (Maximum) [0.1]    Reweigh: Potions (Minimum) [1]    Reweigh: Staffs/Staves [1] ** Right Hand Rings    Set Sound Attenuation Levels [0%]    Set Sound Attenuation Levels: Nirnroots Only [0%]    Skyrim-style Weapons    Uniform Groundcover== Tweak Settings    Actor Strength Encumbrance Multiplier [5]    AI: Conversation Chance [100]    AI: Conversation Chance - Interior [25]    AI: Max Active Actors [25]    AI: Max Dead Actors [x 1]    AI: Max Smile Distance [Default (128)]    Arrow: Litter Count [15]    Arrow: Litter Time [1.5 Minutes]    Arrow: Recovery from Actor [50%]    Arrow: Speed [x 1.2]    Bounty: Attack [500]    Bounty: Horse Theft [250]    Bounty: Theft [1/2]    Camera: Chase Distance [x 1.5]    Camera: Chase Tightness [x 1.5]    Camera: PC Death Time [15 Seconds]    Cell Respawn Time [3 Days]    Combat: Alchemy [Disallow]    Combat: Max Actors [10]    Combat: Max Ally Hits [5]    Combat: Maximum Armor Rating [85]    Combat: Recharge Weapons [Allow]    Combat: Repair [Disallow]    Companions: Max Number [6]    Compass: Disable [Quests]    Compass: POI Recognition [x 0.25]    Cost Multiplier: Enchantment [10]    Cost Multiplier: Recharge [2.0]    Cost Multiplier: Repair [0.9]    Cost Multiplier: Spell Making [3]    Crime: Alarm Distance [4000]    Crime: Force Jail [5000]    Crime: Pickpocketing Fine [25]    Crime: Trespass Fine [5]    Drag: Max Moveable Weight [Default (150)]    Essential NPC Unconsciousness [10 Seconds]    Fatigue from Running/Encumbrance [x 1.5]    Greeting Distance [150]    Horse Turning Speed [x 1.5]    Inventory Quantity Prompt [3]    Jump Higher [x 1.1]    Leveled Creature Max Level Difference [8]    Leveled Item Max Level Difference [8]    Magic: Bolt Speed [x 1.2]    Magic: Chameleon Refraction [Normal]    Magic: Max NPC Summons [3]    Magic: Max Player Summons [1]    Master of Mercantile extra gold amount [500]    Msg: Auto Saving [None]    Msg: Equip Misc. Item [None]    Msg: Harvest Failure [None]    Msg: Harvest Success [None]    Msg: Horse Stabled [None]    Msg: Loading Area [None]    Msg: No Fast Travel [None]    Msg: Not Enough Charge [None]    Msg: Quick Load [None]    Msg: Quick Save [None]    NPC Blood [No Blood]    Thieves Guild: Quest Attacking Penalty [500]    Thieves Guild: Quest Killing Penalty [1000]    Thieves Guild: Quest Stealing Penalty [200]    Timescale [30]    Training Max [5] ** UOP Vampire Aging and Face Fix.esp    Warning: Exterior Distance to Hostiles [3000]    Warning: Interior Distance to Hostiles [2000]== Cobl Catalogs== Contents Checker== Leveled Lists    Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [ADR]    Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [ADR]    Mart's Monster Mod.esm [ADR]    FCOM_Convergence.esm [ADR]    Armamentarium.esm [AR]    Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [ADR]    UOPS Additional Changes.esp [AR]    Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [ADR]    USIPS Additional Changes.esp [AR]    FCOM_Francescos.esp [ADR]    FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [ADR]    DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [ADR]    DLCSpellTomes.esp [AR]    DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [ADR]    FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [ADR]    FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [ADR]    FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [AR]    Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [ADR]    FCOM_WarCry.esp [ADR]    Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [ADR]    OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp [AR]    OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [AD]    FCOM_Convergence.esp [ADR]    FCOM_RealSwords.esp [ADR]    FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [ADR]    Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [ADR]    Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [AD]    FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [AR]    Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [ADR]    MMM-Cobl.esp [AD]    Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [AR]    FCOM_Knights.esp [ADR]    Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [ADR]    Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp [AR]    bgMagicEV.esp [ADR]    bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [AR]    bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [AR]== Race Records ** Diverse Voices.esp ** MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp ** Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp ** Blood&Mud.esp ** _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp ** bgBalancingEVCore.esp ** EVE_KhajiitFix.esp ** Khajiit Fix.esp ** Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp ** Better Looking Dark Elves.esp ** Better Looking Redguards v2.esp ** Better Looking Wood Elves COBL.esp== SEWorld Tests

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:00 am

You need to open tes4edit, load all your mods, and see what conflicts with tears of the fiend.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:10 am

Looking at TES4EDIT shows no conflicts that I can see. Then again, I only have the faintest grasp on how to use the program.

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:16 pm

I finished the mod no problem with my Bashed Patch once I got past that problem area. Peculiar. Oh well, thanks again for trying to help everyone!

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:45 am

I don't use Tears of the Fiend personally, but one thing that I have found helpful when trying to diagnose stubborn CTDs is that when using Oblivion Stutter Remover (which you should be, if you're not) is to temporarily switch bReplaceHeap from 1 to 0 in the OSR INI file.

I've encountered a number of situations where I was getting persistent CTDs for no apparent reason in specific parts of quest mods and temporarily making that change (or even just changing the heap algorithm temporarily) resolved the problem. OSR just has weird interactions with some scripts, e.g. in an older version of Mannimarco Revisited using OBSE 18+ in combination with OSR would result in a CTD at a certain point of the quest 100% of the time. Not just for me, but for others as well. Ultimately I commented out the offending part of the script, but this is a good debugging step.

The author of OSR commented at one point that the way the heap replace works will interact differently based on your hardware and mod setup, and I don't think anyone really understands fully what it's doing at any one given moment. 99.9% of the time OSR make Oblivion rock-solid. But I have seen it introduce instabilities 0.1% of the time. Happened to me just recently with a different mod, as it happens.