The emperor double was killed in Castle Dour...Tullius' castle. His own stronghold was infiltrated by the Dark Brotherhood! Then the real emperor was killed off the northern coast in Haafingar; Tullius' immediate area of responsibility. While the Penitus Oculatus is directly responsible for the emperor's immediate safety, Tullius is responsible for maintaining stability and security in the region. External and internal security--you don't think the two work hand in hand? If a general doesn't have his soldiers guard a perimeter and a horde of assailants overwhelm the head of state and his bodyguards, do you think the general will take the blame? At the very least, Tullius is just as culpable as the inept Penitus Oculatus.

That is certainly up for debate. Very interesting developments but in all likelihood the Elder Council, whatever their intentions, would have little use for a failed general, commissioned by Emperor Mede II. In fact, if it were true that the Elder Council were anti-Mede, they would likely seek the death of Tullius.

You and I might give him credit but do you think the politicians, fickle and reactionary as they invariably are, that sit on the council will care about that. Its like a president that is elected to office and inherits the problems of the nations, he/she is now responsible for them.

In the Imperial army? I can't think of any right now.

From what I understood, the council wanted him dead because Mede just didn't do anything. He shifted all of the work and responsibilities to his underlings, while not doing anything himself. The council wanted somebody more take-charge, less passive. Even Tullius doesn't agree with Mede, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Council chose him to succeed Mede.

And about the general? I'm talking about Talos. And his emperor happened to get assassinated while he was around too...

Thats completely wrong mede personally fought in the frontlines during the great war!

Completely missed this.

Any by a Breton no less...

Tullius=Talos? Naw...Tullius lacks imagination. My impression of him and seemingly confirmed by what info I've read on him in UESP and the strategy guide is he strikes me as a by-the-book officer. The fact that he can be killed depending on what civil war faction you join doesn't bode well for him.

Not the Dragonborn either, he/she/it will be lost to obscurity.

*****DELETE*****

As far as i'm concerned Hjalti could have been alcoholic sore-loser as well. He did manage to take out Emperor Zero, probably had to hire few loons to finish that deed as well, and he still got wounded during assasination (probably stumbled into his own sword from being blind drunk). Once he reached status Tiber Septim he had Zurin and Wulfarth to back him up or we would not have Talos.

Now: If you ask my version of it, it's Hjalti who ended up in Mantella, that is why Big Stompper so often breaks apart.

Cheers to Muertos1130. Didn't cross into my mind that there was also slain emperor in Skyrim. And i killed him just few days ago... Idjiit me!

When serving your own arguement, of course. The two are indeed avatars of the Dragonborn. He is both, and they are one, in the person of the Dragonborn.

Pelinal had two histories, go read again. Don't lecture me.

Blame both. Tullius does not seem to know of the assassination plot, and if he's competent and won then he might just have the loyalty of a large part of Skyrim the Dragonborn and an army of man, somebody like him is worth killing just a precaution if you can place part of the blame on him, and you can rather easily, for allowing the Emperor to be murdered then that's just a great deal better.