Alright - let's try and keep this on-topic. I believe the OP's original post was:

There does seem to be rather a lot of "faction X is/is not 'dead'" discussion for a thread that set out to come up with ideas for new factions. There's always at least one Enclave discussion thread going on around here, maybe further discussion of what role you want them to play in any future Fallout games (if at all) should be taken to another thread (or create your own if none exist and that's all you really want to talk about.)

I have also brought that point up myself many times. It seems Caesar wants to crush the NCR head on. He isn't exactly military genius, I think is brain cancer has a large part in that. The NCR isn't out to fight the Legion. They don't even see the Legion as a serious threat. Anyways this isn't a topic to debate this.


Again they aren't even in the same ball park. The only thing that makes them remotely the same is the Super Mutants. Again that would be like saying the Legion and NCR are the same because they are both human factions.

I would also like to point out the the MLA would count as a "New Faction" because they haven't been in any Fallout game. They are only mentioned in one of the endings of Fallout Tactics.


I didn't say it was easy, but one would think people that make a living as writers could think of something new and orginal, not rehashing the same old stuff over and over agian.



Edit: I didn't see your post nu-clear-day when I posted this.

The problem with the topic is which BoS, which brings up the conflicts that are not resolved.

West Coast and Mojave BoS are still in conflict with NCR and depending on what ending of NV, possibly in conflict with Legion or House.

Midwest BoS could be dead, at war with MLA, or just thriving, moving west, and thus in conflict with Legion. Or move east and meeting CWBoS.

The CWBoS is the only BoS who is basically enemy free, save for any mutant straggler, etc. But they would be the only group free of an organized enemy.

But the OP basically combined BoS into one thing, which really, is three separate groups each with own beliefs, and enemies, and only the CWBoS have basically a resolved story.

The CWBoS could fight MWBoS, MLA, both, or ally with one and fight the other.

The WCBoS needs to adapt or die, and being stuck in NCR country means if they fight anyone it would be NCR. Note, thar any faction tough enough to tangle with BoS in WC would have to first invade NCR. Not like the NCR would just allow some army to cruise through their land to war BoS.

Personally IMO they have set it up for the perfect cavalry coming to save the day game. Where the CWBoS and MWBoS come and dish a can of beat down on the NCR and Legion. Probably lead by Maxson, Sara Lyons, and the descendant of the LW. But that would be FO 5, with 4 being in the Midwest and reunification of MWBoS and CWBoS. At least that is what I would do. Tie up loose ends before the next super enemy.

I would be very interested in the conflict between the Legion and the Brotherhood. We know that they have met before and that the Legion are doing well because Centurion Armour has the right forearm and pauldron of a suit of T-45d Power Armour. It can't be from NCR scavenged PA because their suits don't have the pauldrons. There could be another faction out there with T-45d PA, but it should probably be the Brotherhood to please some people.

Much better writing than in Fallout 3 (imo?), that is something to me at least. I'd rather say "I love Fallout 3 as a game, a game where you travel a beautiful world and shoot people, but I'm not really doing it for the story because it's rather meh."


Oh no, sir. The MLA would be the good guys to me. And it's not a Master's Army part 2 because the MLA consists of humans, ghouls, super mutants, deathclaws and every other human mutant there could be (bet dwarves and troglodytes could join the cause), and they are a small faction fighting for their freedom and right to live against the tyrannous and giant Brotherhood of Steel. That is not so much a "huge army of super mutants want to take over the entire world and turn everyone into mutants against their will and keep others as slaves"-attitude.


That I agree on. Really really svcks that there's no Legion follower, or even some "evil" follower. Closest is Cass who is just foulmouth, but not really bad? Meh... I wanna be hating on NCR and the cool followers won't let me do that :'(

BoS are dieying but some guy made a good point of the east brotherhood gaining much power. West are kinda dieng out, more or less. East atleast have a chance. It doesnt require a miracle to bring the BoS back as a major, East BoS could collapse with west and they would join forces and finally come to an agreement. Somehow the west BoS in Nevada (New Vegas BoS) know about the outcast and the civil war in the capital wasteland, so i think they are making some kind of contact. Im hoping east BoS come back, those are the guys i fought beside, the west are kinda a bunch of rebel, tech loving jackasses.

Rex was Caesar's dog for a while.

U dont have to be Legion to be hating on NCR. i hate them and Legion so i go solo. Winner takes all (and gives to the people)
Vegas belongs to its inhabitants not some greedy government.

Didn't say that, just that I want to roleplay someone who dislikes NCR and have a follower who is badarse like Cass and Boone but I can't bring them because they get so mad if I slaughter Californians :/ I know I can bring that grandma mutant, that robodog, that eyeboy or that stinkin ghoul... well, they are not what my RP character want as a follower really, and Arcade is, although against the Legion and NCR I'd guess (since they hunted him down, haven't done his quest yet) he's a bit too wimpy for my current character. I would have liked someone like Joshua Graham as he was supposed to be in Van Buren, or getting Ulysses as a follower although he's rather the person the player would follow.

A faction of religious fanatics would be pretty cool. Either against high tech things or perhaps worshiping them(or something like that).

I have a feeling that casual Fallout gamers can relate to both the enclave as bad guys and BoS as the white knights. I know a few friends that have never played any of the originals but started with Fallout 3 then New Vegas. All of them enjoyed 3 over New Vegas. They really enjoyed the stories of both the Enclave and BoS over NCR, Legion or House. Both groups are easy for Bethesda to resurrect and create new canon for. The forums make up such a small percentage of Fallout gamers. I liked New Vegas over 3 for several reasons but non of them were because of the major factions. I still love 2 over all and the main reason I go back is the major factions. In 4 I really hope they have a way to make a faction major or minor depending on what you do in your journeys. I really want be able to really join the Enclave if I want to. I really want to be the/an Elder of the BoS if I want to. If 4 includes the Commonwealth I want the ability to choose to defend or destroy them with whichever faction I want. I don't need Beth to create new factions because the ones that have been developed already still have so much story left to be told.

That is like the Reavers in Tactics. If in Midwest, there could be a return of that faction.

I would love to see the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Reaver_Movement come back

1. When the quantity is big enough then it > quality.

2. Just take the Mojave Outpost? And what? Hold it? Yeah, that worked at Helios One when NCR attacked, I'm sure it'll work there too. The Mojave Chapter are surrounded by armies, they want to survive, not just go out and fight til the last man standing, going out is suicide. Legion has shown, through their Centurions, that they can take out power armored soldiers and Caesar states they can take out a Chapter too, but due to it's defensive position Legion would lose a lot of men doing so. But out in the open? Yeah, I'm sure the MC would survive an army who defeated them once from the west and an army who's defeated people like them from the east. It ain't that easy for the MC, they can't just stroll on out of there and kick ass and chew bubblegum.

Oh and here is delicious official material on what would happen if they attack during the battle:


Yup, they sure seem to win if they go out into the open.

3. IIRC, during the battle of Hoover Dam, NCR has to deal with Legion, Khans, Fiends, Omerta and I think Kings too. They are capable of handling them during the battle when Legion attacks, why wouldn't they be able to handle less than 100 BOS members when the MC is surrounded by them?

Are you suggesting we have a Warhammer-style Chaos faction but in Fallout style?
Recently I have thought about such a thing as a interesting mod.

I too, second the return of the Reavers.

I disagree with your number 1, and it has happened in history, with not as vast as a technological difference the BoS has over others.

2. As I said, if I was BoS I would take both Helios and the outpost. Taking the outpost cuts off supply line. Helios is on the verge of going online with a weapon that can fry anyone outside. Used at the right time...ouch.

Taking the mojave outpost I would ambush the next supply convoy. After that I would imagine NCR knows BoS has it. NCR won't be able to counter attack, with the legion, fiends and all the problems going on. So, I would expect an attack from the west, and defend it as long as possible, but trap the heck out of it so if retreat the NCR gets a nasty surprise. However, I would hope it did not come to that, as I do all this to mainly reclaim Helios to bring it online and to force a truce with the NCR who would be in a tough spot.

That is what I would do, because if you just sit in a bunker, you are now surrounded with no exit.

Do nothing, and die,or take action and force the situation into at least a chance?

As far as the legion, I don't claim the writers haveexcellent strategy, from what I see in game it is the opposite.

Heck, If I wanted to be real aggressive I would take out the NCR at Primm then attack the outskirts of Vegas. IMO, the NCR is not prepared for an assault. It would also be a surprise attack.

Technically that is a third. Lol.

Yeah. They need to save the wasteland from Satansoft.

A massive ghoul army. Have hundreds, maybe thousands of ferals , being commanded by sentient ghouls.