The End or The Apocalypse? (LR spoilers)

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:54 pm

Lol is my only response at this time... :tongue:

Gehenna? Is that a mod or something from GRA I've yet to see
i think its from GRA, but i might be confusing new vegas with Fallout 3.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:19 am

Lol is my only response at this time... :tongue:

Gehenna? Is that a mod or something from GRA I've yet to see
It's GRA. Pretty good weapon.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:58 pm

BoS and the Enclave remnants are a part of the wasteland last time i checked.

:cry:
You don't get the point I tried to make..
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 9:11 am

Well, it's a little lore-breaking to have one or both of the two biggest factions get nuked right before an important battle, so even though I rarely stop the launch, I hope lore-wise the nuking of either side dosen't become canon. It just seems like a cop-out imo.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 1:21 pm

Well, it's a little lore-breaking to have one or both of the two biggest factions get nuked right before an important battle, so even though I rarely stop the launch, I hope lore-wise the nuking of either side dosen't become canon. It just seems like a cop-out imo.

I agree, my guess is that in the future (no matter what happens in the game other than nuking) the NCR will eventually go through some political reforms and enter a golden age. Caesar will die and civil war will break out between vulpes inculta (or someone like him) and Lanius (or someone like him), eventually one will win and the legion will also enter a golden age of wealth and power. The two will start fighting again in a much bloodier war until they reach a stalemate.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:02 am

No, you aint screwing BoS and Enclave (remnants). Why should they care if a faction like NCR would go?

Because they will die out if they are the only ones left. They don't get any benefit from Vegas' economy and regime.

The Enclave remnants have either settled down into NCR territory, or went further east to get away from them.

Stopping the nukes will be canon, I'm 100% sure. Nuking one or the other (or both) argues with the story too much for them to make it canon.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:14 am

Contrary to popular belief, ground zero of a nuke site can be traversable after a couple of months. Yes there will still be radiation but as long as you don't build a house there you should be fine. Just keep going. The irradiated fallout however will do the most damage to inocents since the bombs are aimed at millitary outposts. Edit: The Nukes are aimed at military outposts, in which the fallout created from the bombing of the outpost(s) will fall on populated areas and kill inocents. Hope they have rad-x.

Now someone go and post about how im wrong because plutonium or uranium has a half-life of thousands of years. Thats true but the Plutonium or Uranium gets blown up. Like I said, after a month or so, radiation would be survivable for a few hours. After a year, don't worry about it.

So nuke if ya feel like you should. IMO
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:31 pm

Because they will die out if they are the only ones left. They don't get any benefit from Vegas' economy and regime.

The Enclave remnants have either settled down into NCR territory, or went further east to get away from them.

Stopping the nukes will be canon, I'm 100% sure. Nuking one or the other (or both) argues with the story too much for them to make it canon.

I don't think either will be canon, since the nukes don't really have a major effects there are only like eight of them, and i believe China had 76 aimed at vegas alone. The legion would lose a few military bases and it would be harmful to their war effort but not their overall society. The NCR would lose parts of the long 15 and have to go around them, they would suffer the same effect as the legion.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:22 pm

I don't think either will be canon, since the nukes don't really have a major effects there are only like eight of them, and i believe China had 76 aimed at vegas alone. The legion would lose a few military bases and it would be harmful to their war effort but not their overall society. The NCR would lose parts of the long 15 and have to go around them, they would suffer the same effect as the legion.

I can see your point, but even the ending game-message says that "you have broken the back of the Legion" if you nuke them, or something in that order.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:01 am

BoS and the Enclave remnants are a part of the wasteland last time i checked.

Not really.

The Enclave has settled in with everyone else, and the BoS is either at war with the NCR, or hiding in their bunkers like the Mojave Chapter does.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 4:58 pm

Not really.

The Enclave has settled in with everyone else, and the BoS is either at war with the NCR, or hiding in their bunkers like the Mojave Chapter does.
Yeah but they are a part of the wasteland, like any wastelander. Enclave may not be a faction anymore, but they are still people living in the wasteland as everyone else.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:25 am

It's GRA. Pretty good weapon.
Then that's another weapon I've yet to buy, I haven't even seen most of the weapons since I got GRA - they're magically illusive
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:27 am

Yeah but they are a part of the wasteland, like any wastelander. Enclave may not be a faction anymore, but they are still people living in the wasteland as everyone else.

Uhhh..... Okay, but then again, that means that the wasteland as a whole affects the Enclave, which is directly pointing back to my original point?

:deal:
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:18 am

Uhhh..... Okay, but then again, that means that the wasteland as a whole affects the Enclave, which is directly pointing back to my original point?

:deal:
I guess i have proven my point then (?) :)
Sorry but what was it you meant earlier, think i misunderstood ur point.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 2:09 pm

I guess i have proven my point then (?) :smile:
Sorry but what was it you meant earlier, think i misunderstood ur point.

All good.

My point was, launching both bombs is going to inflict massive consequences to both Arizona and California as a whole, not just NCR and Legion.

(People who say the bombs are just putting a relatively small sized wall of fire between both nations and the Mojave are wrong IMHO. When you bomb Dry Wells, it even says that you "broke the back of the Legion.)
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:10 am

All good.

My point was, launching both bombs is going to inflict massive consequences to both Arizona and California as a whole, not just NCR and Legion.

(People who say the bombs are just putting a relatively small sized wall of fire between both nations and the Mojave are wrong IMHO. When you bomb Dry Wells, it even says that you "broke the back of the Legion.)
Ohh i thought you meant the WHOLE wasteland. Nuking the I 15 does make the NCR supply line suffer even more then earlier (divide explosion) and nuking Legion inflicts heavy losses on the (huge) Legion camp there, so its true bro.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:46 am

Ohh i thought you meant the WHOLE wasteland. Nuking the I 15 does make the NCR supply line suffer even more then earlier (divide explosion) and nuking Legion inflicts heavy losses on the (huge) Legion camp there, so its true bro.

Yes.

Honestly, the ideal way to go about Yes Man is this.

Make sure the NCR and Legion exist in a form in which they are adequate to fight each other, while you're secretly stockpiling on secret plans and weapons (The Divide warheads, Science from the big empty).

1. Make sure Kimball survives his visit to Hoover Dam. This means, NCR will not oppose your regime. They will blame Kimball and Oliver. "It's his war".
2. Remove the Legion's presence inside the Mojave. Constant raids are even more deadly to the Courier's regime, because for the time being, the towns will have to govern themselves. With that being said, on to 3.
3. Make sure Lanius lives. He will leave Hoover Dam broken, but more reasonable and the Courier realizes that the fight that the Legion has been making might calm down under Lanius as their new Caesar.
4. Don't bomb either of them. If you bomb one of them, the other will gain the advantage over the Mojave.
5. Don't bomb both of them, either, because without NCR, Vegas' economy will falter, and your regime will hardly mean anything.
6. Kill Caesar. As long as he rules the Legion, they have a chance of regrouping post Hoover Dam II and damaging the Mojave. With Lanius in charge, they will exist long enough to hold back the NCR, but in time, they will inevitably end.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:42 am

I enjoyed nuking both. I didn't like both of them so I was glad to nuke them. Plus side is I got awesome Legate armor and Bear Power armor. While you preach your morality, I'll be wearing awesome armor. Problem?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 5:09 pm

I'll be wearing awesome armor. Problem?

Yikes. Both of those armors are crap. Problem?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:21 pm

Yes.

Honestly, the ideal way to go about Yes Man is this.

Make sure the NCR and Legion exist in a form in which they are adequate to fight each other, while you're secretly stockpiling on secret plans and weapons (The Divide warheads, Science from the big empty).

1. Make sure Kimball survives his visit to Hoover Dam. This means, NCR will not oppose your regime. They will blame Kimball and Oliver. "It's his war".
2. Remove the Legion's presence inside the Mojave. Constant raids are even more deadly to the Courier's regime, because for the time being, the towns will have to govern themselves. With that being said, on to 3.
3. Make sure Lanius lives. He will leave Hoover Dam broken, but more reasonable and the Courier realizes that the fight that the Legion has been making might calm down under Lanius as their new Caesar.
4. Don't bomb either of them. If you bomb one of them, the other will gain the advantage over the Mojave.
5. Don't bomb both of them, either, because without NCR, Vegas' economy will falter, and your regime will hardly mean anything.
6. Kill Caesar. As long as he rules the Legion, they have a chance of regrouping post Hoover Dam II and damaging the Mojave. With Lanius in charge, they will exist long enough to hold back the NCR, but in time, they will inevitably end.
I agree with not bombing either, but its really hard to say, cause you dont really need the NCR people to help your economy, but it would help. NCR always has another chance of counter attacking the Mojave if you dont nuke them, and even though they probably wont, we would never know.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 7:14 pm

Yikes. Both of those armors are crap. Problem?

I agree if i nuke a nation why would i want to walk around wearing their armor?
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:04 pm

I agree if i nuke a nation why would i want to walk around wearing their armor?
As an insult and a show of strength. When they see that armour, they will know that you ripped it off of the dead corpse of one of their strongest military commanders.
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