The Dwemer - What's Your Theory? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu May 03, 2012 9:17 pm

At the risk of getting shouted off the mountain, I have a question (or a couple of questions, even, depending on the answer;)

Do we know if, or have any reason to believe that Vivec lied when the Nerevarine asked about the Dwemer? (Where he answered to the effect that he couldn't sense them in space or time, in any of the planes or outer realms.)

If (we accept that) he lied, what possible reasons might he have had (that we can fathom) for doing so?

Nothing that comes to mind, considering you would have already met Yagrum by that point.

If (we hold that) he did not lie: Does this reflect upon his (supposedly) waning powers?

Potentially.

What implications might this have about Yagrum Bagarn? Does corprus fundamentally alter the soul as well as the body, and could it have altered him to the point that Vivec would no longer recognize his presence?

Quite possibly. The Divine disease inflicts profound changes on the afflicted. Without personally knowing Yagrum, Vivec might not recognize Yagrum as dwemer, especially if the corpusness of his current state overtakes or overwhelms the properties that Vivec would be trying to sense.

» Thu May 03, 2012 9:39 am

Remember Red Mountain had a Dragon Break, what with every side telling it differently and the Tribunal retroactively making themselves always gods. It could be that the Tribunal both undid Numidium and that Numidium was successfully completed, resulting in a weird-ghost deity.

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:30 am

At the risk of getting shouted off the mountain, I have a question (or a couple of questions, even, depending on the answer;)

Do we know if, or have any reason to believe that Vivec lied when the Nerevarine asked about the Dwemer? (Where he answered to the effect that he couldn't sense them in space or time, in any of the planes or outer realms.)

If (we accept that) he lied, what possible reasons might he have had (that we can fathom) for doing so?

If (we hold that) he did not lie: Does this reflect upon his (supposedly) waning powers?
~Or~
What implications might this have about Yagrum Bagarn? Does corprus fundamentally alter the soul as well as the body, and could it have altered him to the point that Vivec would no longer recognize his presence? Is it possible that he might never have been a Dwemer to begin with, and is some agent with his own as-yet hidden agenda? Or did he come to be after the Dwemer became the golden skin of Numidium, a shed-aspect of the gestalt-entity/God they created? If these questions have been answered before, please feel free to shoot me down.

As an aside sparked partially by the tone of this thread post Superkitten, following my own disastrous attempt at raising a question/idea through creative writing (because the notion that I wrote even bad fan-fiction makes me uncomfortable, here,) I think I'm just going to stick to my old lurking-pattern with the occasional question.

I don't think that Vivec lied to the Nerevarine about that, or anything else, given the high-respect he held for Nerevar and all of the sacrifices he was willing to make for his reincarnation.

I gotta think that Vivec simply assumed that Nerevarine was referring the lost race of Dwemer who were Vehk's contemporaries, not Yagrum Bagrum, the one exception to the rule that the Nerevarine had already met.