I write this topic for a good reason that i ask for only one thing to solve all these issues with Bethesda games. My suggestion is that it be a good possibility if Bethesda coul hire some coders/modders and game developers and form some teams to look after each an every game they have and each team can focus on one title they are commissioned to look after and patch/fix etc. Now as much as i enjoy playing the elder scroll series. I have played them through enough and experienced the game. Going back to them just gets tedious after a while when the issues come back to haunt the game. Now we all have been through this, but after so many playthroughs with getting by the issues. I just think it be best for Bethesda to hire some other devs and coders just to help take some weight off the companies shoulders and have them look after these older games and get them fixed up for the Xbox 360 and PS3 so that people can have a fair gaming experience since its very unfair that PCers can fix their games on their own and get by with the PERFECT lag and glitch free game. Having a team dedicated to the older titles can still allow the current team to keep up with Skyrim and their future projects. This can be something Bethesda can look into so all the flaming and complaining can finally be at cease and also for bethesda to start hard pressing themselves to stop making demanding date releases and just take as long as it takes to test the game before making release dates even a THOUGHT of coming into the picture. All I would like to see is as I said is for Bethesda to just try and offer some coders and devs to look after these older titles and get them up to par for the 360 and PS3 to PC gaming experiences or as possibly close as to a glitch and lag free game as they can. Maybe Bethesda can look into this idea and see what they think of it. It may cost them a few more dollars, but I just state this as an opinion just so all the flaming and complaining about these older great game titles never getting fixed ever again can finally cease. Some game companies still to this day still patch older titles on 360 and PS3 cause they like to keep their fanbase happy. You can sticky this thread right away administrator. Dont need the flamers going on about this. I speak for everyone who is and isnt complaining as well as myself. Im not entirely suggesting you do this. But maybe dedicating some people who can and will put the time into Morrowind and Oblivion can patch your game up for the consoles while you guys work on Skyrim and the future projects. May be worth thinking about and looking into. What ya say Bethesda? Make your fanbase happy and give them the best gaming experiences they can have for all the elder scroll games on consoles they rightfully deserve and make it like a sign for other gaming companies that Bethesda is taking a new turn in the video gaming industry by showing it truly cares about its fans and they still patch their older games no matter how old they are. Make a stronger reputation for your company in the gaming market and take a stand on this. Who knows where this could put Bethesda and rank them among the top gaming companies who take pride in their games and fans. Its worth a shot if you put the thought into it. See where it will take you and if it doesnt work out, Then it wasnt meant to be. But its just an idea to get these old games into their glory they should be living up to. If its a Game of the year Edition. It should be lag and glitch free like most of them are out there. Good luck on this Idea Bethesda and lets hope your older games get the needed and demanding they cringe for. Someone is willing to put the time and money into them. You just gotta look hard. They are out there waiting. (Sticky this thread Bethesda from possible flaming and ranting from those who dont understand the point I am getting at with this)

So based on your title, "all" you want is for Bethesda to spend potentially millions of dollars over time on salaries, insurance, equipment, space for the new workers, etc.? Especially for fixing games that are so old that most people who would want them already have them? Therefore that their return for the massive expenditures you're suggesting would be, basically, zero?

Yeah, I don't think "all I want" is the right phrase because it suggests you aren't asking for a lot. I go back and play Morrowind and Oblivion, and I know there are some bugs here and there, but I also know any workarounds there may be by this point. It's basically pointless to spend so much time and money on games that are so old when their time and resources would be much better spent on new stuff like DLC or whole new games.

As stated i am asking for the thread to be stickyed. Since people will flame about this without understanding what this is really about

Personaly i would like them too spend more time in research and devellopment of the "Game-Engine" .
But i undrstand OP,s point

If I were an admin I wouldn't sticky this. I got a wall of text about how they should spend time and money on something that will make them zero dollars. I'm not flaming, I'm saying I disagree with both your choice of words in the "all I ask" bit of the title and the implicit assumption that patching games from 2005 and 2003 or before is a good idea for a business.

I also disagree with the bit that people flame and complain about the old games being glitched. I mean, yeah, there's bugs. Most of the big ones are gone by now though through official patches on PC and console versions alike, and having people paid to fix games that are years old will not somehow make debugging newer ones faster or easier.

In general, I'd split this into paragraphs. When faced with a wall of text, a reader's first impression of you will already be a negative. Combined with a financially unworkable idea and you aren't convincing anyone. Finally, if people can't understand this sort of writing, then it's the writer's fault. If you're worried about people misunderstanding it, go back and his the edit button.

Exactly what I mean Heironymus. Updating the engine of their games too would be a significant improvement on them especially for getting it to be as flawless as it possibly can for the consolers both 360 and PS3 getting the kick in the [censored] it seems they are. If PCers can have this much freedom to patch and crack into their own games and make all these mods. Consolers should have their patches too. From what Tengan thinks will take millions. Hes way off topic. That money can be made from like the combo pack they are releasing and such but wont take millions to dedicate a small team with resources they already have from their older games and sources which is how DLCs are made which tegan again doesnt understand can be used to help these older games catch up to where PCs are at and give the consoles a much better edge on their gaming. Just cause a game is old, doesnt mean it should be tossed out the window. After the games been done. it doesnt take much more just to add a few touch ups to get a game where it technically should be and when its fixed. can be produced again for those who dont own the games and make the money back. Just think about the more reputation these games can get when theyre fixed and released again. sales will jump and they will just make the money back they spent

... you don't seem to understand how game development works. How much do you think it costs to develop a game, exactly? Between developing or enhancing an engine, texturing, coding, paying all the people doing it? You're also working on a flawed assumption regarding how upgrading these things works. If they were to revamp the engine for, say Morrowind, they would have to debug everything again (paying a debug team for this huge game for as long as that takes otherwise your entire premise is even more flawed than it already is), and how would you motivate me, who likes the aesthetic and gameplay of Morrowind as it is, to spend my hard-earned money on a new copy that I have no reason to believe will have the same charm that was itself born of its limitations? You'd have to pay for marketing. Also, it does take much to add touch ups to a game, both for the debugging already mentioned and for the coding. Oh, and are we making modern textures as well, or are we sticking with 2003 textures? Because then they'd have to make the textures, then check to make sure they mesh.

Seriously, it's an unfeasible idea even if they didn't have new things we haven't already bought to make.

Also, learn to spell. "Tengen." Also, capitalization after periods. Generally a grasp of the basic rules of language makes people take your points more seriously. Remember, I do not matter in this conversation and neither do you. Only the spectators matter.

And for Tegan. The consoles still dont have the big glicthes and bugs from what most people are still complaining about. A-Bombs, Freezes, Lags, Lockups even the vampire cure issue. The game still has tones of needed work than you think from what those who still have the issues do. You need to look into the matter. If PCers can have modders and those dedicating their time to fix games. Then consoles should too. Thing is with PCs is that you can crack your own games into the coding source with Notepad and fix them yourself. But its an unofficial way to do so. Now making a small team to do the same for these games is exactly doing what the PCers are. It can be an unoffical way to get oblivion and Morrowind where they were to be. People still demand them to be fixed because theyre still good games to this day. Theyre OC or those who want a perfect experience. This isnt the Matrix. Bethesda knows the games still need work. But if they cant do it for the consoles. Do what the PCers are doing. Get some people willing to take the time and effort off bethesdas shoulders and they will fix it for them. They dont need to get paid or whatever. But least they can get things caught up. Games should never be put aside ever. It doesnt matter old or new. some people should still put time into restoring the old and making it new. Thats why we have restorations for such old memories. Not just games. But everything around us. People are willing to put time into these things for many reason. Some do it for free too. Its their choice. Some people are just lazy to care anymore and dont realize the profit that can be made with something restored than something constantly released with cracks on it.

I don't see people "demanding" them to be fixed, aside from you. I see people who are mostly satisfied with the patches that were already released officially. Do you have a specific bug in mind that is prompting this? Because I play on console and my GotY copies of both Morrowind and Oblivion work swimmingly to this day, so why would I pay to buy a new version that fixes bugs I don't have? No need to try and convince people to buy the same thing over and over. The film industry already does that with constant remakes

Oh, and as for unofficial mods, generally the companies that make the consoles and run the online component don't allow it because when you download a bum PC mod you crash your game. You download a bum console mod you could fry the machine, or at least that's what I've been told when I asked about console mods years ago.

They aren't put aside, they're still being played. If you have one that isn't working, try to get a replacement or buy a PC.

Also it still isn't "Tegan." Also, "This isn't the Matrix" is wholly non-sequitorial.

Sorry Tegan. I ont mean to be rude. But its honestly you sir that doesnt understand how developement works. Why not watch that restoration show on TV or something? Now you see why I asked to sticky this. You dont understand what it means to restore something and make a profit from it. People are willing to put their time into work others cant take time into anymore. theyre working on newer things. Thats how modding came into play many years ago. Only PCers get this edge. The thing is people are trying to find ways for the consolers to get this edge. Thats why you aint understanding this. if i were you. id stop replying to this. you have no idea and my thought is you prolly never owned a console before. But i have experienced PC and all consoles and seen how consoles can get this edge if people are willing to take some work off others hands and work on them for them and still give them credit. The modders do that. Thats the point of unofficial. you understand what that means? They work on it but dont take the full credit cause its still bethesdas game. If you would just kindly sit back and just let those who understand this matter talk. You might know whats really going on here than to rather say you aint flaming. because you sir really are flaming. disagreeing is the negativity you are showing over a good idea like this so console gamers can get that edge they rightfully deserve and allow things to be restored and released which nets more profit cause people will not buy the lamp for $20 that has cracks and missing pieces over the lamp that is $60 that is restored and fixed and is good as new. There is a difference friend. You dont see what that difference and edge is. Games should never be released in a broken state ever. Thats why games are getting restorations like the Final Fantasy 4 games. Thats a start squarenix took. Other companies are doing the same. Many old classics are getting tweaked and restored to what it shouldve been and are netting companies more money than they ever made when the game first ever came out. Start realizing where people get at before you accuse them of what their topics are about. Theres a reason to the all i want which you also dont understand. You sir arent a forum kind of person. you dont seem to communicate on peoples levels. you sir im just going to ignore your posts since there is an ignore button by your posts i can click. which i will and will not take you off till you understand what i am talking about.

I do own consoles. I have all the TES games I've played since Morrowind on xbox and/or 360. You're working on flawed assumptions and have now become indignant that I have pointed them out to you and attemting to sound like, as I disagree with you, I must be a fool who has no idea what I'm talking about. Disagreeing with a fundamentally flawed idea isn't flaming. Microsoft doesn't allow console mods which is, at best, what you are suggesting. At worst you are suggesting that Bethesda simply patch and re-release old content when they could be working on new.

I understand what you are talking about, and if not altering the assessment I've come to over years of being on the forums and playing these games to agree with your wall of text makes me not "a forum kind of person" in your view then I feel no sadness at you ignoring me.

people are still to this day demanding games to be fixed. you sir are living in history. and third party mods are constantly updated to officially work with games. Try Gibberlings3 and Pocketplane Group for Baldur's Gate series. Theyre constantly working together to make all their mods work together. Dont tell people on here that you think you know everything. You dont sir. Like I said. Now you see why I used Tegan instead of Tengen. The point of all this is that this is the turn of gaming century. Companies are getting into these third party ideas because they know better coding than the company themselves do. These people believe it or not even work with the company when their game is released to make such mods for games. They have to have their content to allow it which believe it or not. They get the permission to unofficially release patches and mods. Now alot of these modders actually will be willing to fix and patch console game even for free for these companies. Its what they do for a living and they make their money off by advertising their work all over. Theres many ways to make this a pure possibility for console gamers all over tengen. That you need to look into alot more and realize what the more understanding people know what this is about. Stay out of matters that dont consern you and dont get into conversations you have no idea about. You dont belong in this discussion obviously

So basically, you're mispelling my name in a pissy fit that I don't agree with you? And disagreeing with you does not mean I'm saying I know everything.



So me disagreeing with you means I don't belong in this conversation? How sweet. Now a lot of this last post was just you being rude and condescending at me for holding a different opinion. I suppose every stereotype has to have a grain of truth in it.

the idea isnt flawed. what you are stating is flawed tengen. now i am clicking the ignore button. your posts will be ignored till you understand and relaize where this is going. untill further notice. You sir are just an instigator looking for that easy fight you want to win. Which in my case you are a Troller Tengen. Goodbye and burn that internet flare elsewhere. its not needed in a great ideal discussion like this. I hope your flare becomes a supernova when you realize what you really are doing on these forums wasting your time and trying to destroy ideas you never had the thought of ever thinking up. You just are jealous of us gamers who know much more about gaming than you ever could. enjoy the ignore. i hope you have a wonderful day sir

its not a pissy fit. thats what you been doing since you first disagreed. hence why I asked this to be stickyed so people like you dont come trolling on forums wasting their time looking to be proven right to ideas you never thought about and only cares to bring down those who have an opinion to bethesda. not to you.

Good luck. You joined today, have 11 posts and are asking for your thread stickied? Sir, people who have been here since 2003 don't ask for their thread to be stickied. Why? Because the mods only sticky important things, not an idea a newbie had on his first day on the forums.

Firstly this is not going to be stickied, secondly Bethesda are probably done with the previous games so no more patches/updates/DLCs. Finally this is a discussion forum, others are allowed to agree and disagree with opinions, thoughts and ideas, and as long as it is done in a civil and constructive way they can do so.

doesnt matter if its a new guy or someone from 2003. everyone has equal rights. yes its a discussion forum. but pretty much everyone who comes up with great ideas for the company which runs this forum Bethesda. they always are looking for feedback to help bolster their reputation and sales. But the problem with forums like this is alot of moderators and accounters are usually just here for the privlage their rank gives them rather than really listen to anyone. new or not. It doesnt matter. people ask for threads to get stickied so people cant flame like most do when they cant think up great ideas like this. it just saves the hassle. people do this for many reasons. alot of people are on forums looking for the easy fight so they get their way. and alot like to throw it all down on the new ones. so what if one has 5000 posts or just 11. doesnt mean anything. just shows that person with 5000 psosts wants the attention or he just flamed up so much to many posts. I know what forums are like to understand them. its very obvious. this discussion is to Bethesda which this site says officially. im sure their staff mods this. mot some silly fan based boy who likes the company so much. But alot just come here when they disagree. they aint relaly disagreeing to the topic. they just disagree because they coulnt think up something better or something really worth disagreeing about. this is just my two cents to foruming and why most of its members care more about how many posts they make and their popularity more than what really goes on here and caring about peoples ideas and how some moderators and admins can be just as worse as they are. no offense to anyone. this is just what forums are becoming like these days. no one cares about anyones good ideas anymore and will flame just about at anything put on a forum for amusemant.

I also disagree with that last post. Just look on the lore forum or even the pre-Skyrim announcement threads up here in TES general for a bunch of people getting together and having a lot of fun idea-brainstorming.

Just because I don't agree with the first idea you posted doesn't mean I won't agree with the second, or the twentieth. Doesn't mean I will either. You speak your mind, I'll speak mine and we'll be square. The entire issue is that I don't think it's a good idea. I'm not jealous, I'm not somehow "not really a gamer," I just have a different perspective and have therefore come to a different conclusion as to how the older games should be handled going forward. I wouldn't object to re-releases on special anniversaries like they did with Arena and Daggerfall, but I don't think too much should be made of messing about with what they've already done.

OK. You obviously joined the forums, agreed to the forum rules when you checked the box, but never read them. I suggest you do so now as there are sections on flaming which state in no uncertain terms that it is not allowed.

Secondly, as you have another topic exactly the same posted in the Fallout forum this is classed as crossposting so I am going to close this one and allow all the discussion to continue there.