Could this be why elsweyr has not been featured in a TES gam

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 10:34 pm

I'm just saying theres really no reason for the "why not Elsewyr?!" argument because there are a lot more interesting places for example hammerfell, black marsh and valenwood are provinces more fans would want to see. Plus Skyrim was perfect for the introduction into the 4th era.
Given that in the polls, Elsweyr beat out Valenwood and Hammerfell by a very considerable degree in the "favourite province" poll, maybe you should speak for yourself and not other people.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:52 am

I think if the next game takes place in Elsweyr, the MQ would have something to do with the Void Nights and restoring the moons. This would give Beth an excuse to not have to design all the different Khajiit variants, and it would also involve the Thalmor... the ones who want to take credit for the restoration of Masser and Secunda..
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:56 am

To be completely honest, while the Khajiit are by far my favorite race, and I'd LOVE to go to Elswyer. I'm kind of glad they haven't done it yet. Skyrim had about (Just guessing from memory) 20 buildings per city, only about 16 square miles in the entire province, and because of this, a population that tops off around 200 or so. For a province that's supposedly as big as an average country, discovering this was a bit disappointing. I'd love to be able to say that Bethesda created a fantastic and engrossing world to roam around in; But they didn't. I felt like everything was compressed, artificial. I loved most of the gameplay mechanics in Skyrim, but the world kind of ruined it for me personally. Not that it was unplayable or anything. I just felt like it wasn't living up to it's potential.
In short, If Bethesda had done Elswyer as TES V, they most likely wouldn't have done justice to it, whilst simultaneously blocking out most hope for a better rendition in the future. I just hope they get better at world design before approaching my favorite province. :fingerscrossed:
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:25 am

To be completely honest, while the Khajiit are by far my favorite race, and I'd LOVE to go to Elswyer. I'm kind of glad they haven't done it yet. Skyrim had about (Just guessing from memory) 20 buildings per city, only about 16 square miles in the entire province, and because of this, a population that tops off around 200 or so. For a province that's supposedly as big as an average country, discovering this was a bit disappointing. I'd love to be able to say that Bethesda created a fantastic and engrossing world to roam around in; But they didn't. I felt like everything was compressed, artificial. I loved most of the gameplay mechanics in Skyrim, but the world kind of ruined it for me personally. Not that it was unplayable or anything. I just felt like it wasn't living up to it's potential.
In short, If Bethesda had done Elswyer as TES V, they most likely wouldn't have done justice to it, whilst simultaneously blocking out most hope for a better rendition in the future. I just hope they get better at world design before approaching my favorite province. :fingerscrossed:
Meh, I'm kind of hoping it's the next one, my patience doesn't extend to like 20 years later :o
Plus, the direction Bethesda is going in isn't the greatest as the depth of a lot of things are decreasing. Ex : the amount of spells :|
so for me it'd be best for me if they made it before the others starting now.
I find the size of these provinces fine, they're much bigger than most games have their world.

But Skyrim's atmosphere somehow did sadden me a bit.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:21 pm

They've got to do it eventually. They don't need to make them all playable, just have them present. How hard can it be? Most of them would still use the same skeleton, and they could replace horses with Senche.

That's.......pretty hateful to Khajiit.

How would you like you be used as a beast of burden just because you were born during a certain moon phase?
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 5:26 am

That's.......pretty hateful to Khajiit.

How would you like you be used as a beast of burden just because you were born during a certain moon phase?
They usually are though. It's kind of just an expected family dynamic (see the Infernal City, for example). They still treat them like family members but their primary purpose is as a beast of burden or a mount. I mean what else would they want, generally speaking? They're too big to move around indoors practically, they have no need for clothes, I'm pretty sure they can't speak, they don't have dextrous digits.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:30 pm

Given that in the polls, Elsweyr beat out Valenwood and Hammerfell by a very considerable degree in the "favourite province" poll, maybe you should speak for yourself and not other people.

You mean a silent majority, not a lot of fans visit this part of the forums.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 9:57 am

You mean a silent majority, not a lot of fans visit this part of the forums.

And where would you have a Poll where the majority of fans have been to prove your point?
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:36 am

In order for an accurate poll you would need to pretty much ask everyone on the forums and TES fans outside of the forums.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:06 am

In order for an accurate poll you would need to pretty much ask everyone on the forums and TES fans outside of the forums.

Then do not assume that the fan community wouldn't support a game taking place in Elsweyr.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 11:25 pm

I am a fan and I would support a game in Elsweyr. It would be more interesting for me than an elf or human province.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 7:30 am

That's.......pretty hateful to Khajiit.

How would you like you be used as a beast of burden just because you were born during a certain moon phase?

Senche's are very commonly used as mounts in Elsweyr. By the Khajiit, at least. I doubt most Senche's would be very happy about any non-Khajiit riding on their backs, unless an extremely close friendship was developed, maybe.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:05 am

Bethesda isn't afraid to retcon.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 1:23 am

The reason Bethesda hasn't done a game around Elsewyr is because they haven't, will they make one in the future? Probably, they aren't catering to fans nor have they ever catered to fans.

Just be patient and let them do what they somewhat do best, make games.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:38 pm

The reason Bethesda hasn't done a game around Elsewyr is because they haven't, will they make one in the future? Probably, they aren't catering to fans nor have they ever catered to fans.

Just be patient and let them do what they somewhat do best, make games.

That's exactly what I have been getting at the whole time :|
I haven't been arguing on why they haven't yet, but that they will eventually, you started by saying that they'll never make a game in Elsweyr, when to the pattern they've been going in, every province has been getting it's own game recently.
there's the same probable chance that TES VI could be in Elsweyr as it could any other province that hasn't been done yet.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:40 am

Note I never actually said they wouldn't, I just said theres more interesting places.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 11:56 am

Note I never actually said they wouldn't, I just said theres more interesting places.
That's your Opinion, the thing that irritated me is because you stated it as if it were fact.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 6:21 am

You mean a silent majority, not a lot of fans visit this part of the forums.
In order for an accurate poll you would need to pretty much ask everyone on the forums and TES fans outside of the forums.
What on earth could lead you to assume that "The Elder Scrolls General Discussion" is not a reliable forum to show the majority of fans? It's the general forum for the series, so you're going to get a pretty accurate representative of the overall fanbase. Obviously it's impossible to ask every single fan anywhere. Nonetheless, you are being extremely presumptuous in assuming not only that it wouldn't be the same, but that you know just what fans would like. Even if this poll could not be considered totally reliable, it's still a thousand times more reliable than your subjective assertion that aims to speak for the fanbase as a whole.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 8:04 am

Not really....as long as its interesting wilderness, it could be awesome. Cities aren't that great in the Elder Scrolls anyway. I'd rather them
have a few well fleshed out cities then a bunch of average ones.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 11:25 am

The biggest deterent is the matter of all those Khajiit. How many types are there, really? Some say more than twenty and they're not situated by locale. There can be several variations all within one family group. See the Dagi riding Pahmar-raht, they're brother and sister.
Without all types being represented Elsweyr just wouldn't work. Bethesda wouldn't be able to get away with only animating one version as done in the previous games. There would have to be specific locomotion animations for each type; the bi-pedal the digitigrade gait of Morrowind, the plantigrade gait of Daggerfall and Oblivion an lastly a quadruped gait for Khajiit like the Pahmar and Senche. That is a lot of expensive and time consuming art and animation work. And seeing as how Bethesda likes to keep things simple I doubt it will come about or if it does it won't satisfy
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 3:17 am


Without all types being represented Elsweyr just wouldn't work.
True, Elsweyr and Black Marsh need much more dedication for races, subraces and animations than the current offer or the fans will be very disappointed. I hope the next game is in one of these provinces, but I'm also worried about the thought they may provide an unsatisfying experience.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 5:36 am

Due to the required animations for at least 3 different "categories" of Kajiit movement (human-style, digitagrade, and quadruped, ignoring the arboreal species' complex tree-top climb/leap animations), that probably makes Elsweyr the most difficult province to do. Seeing that most of the polls showed a marked preference for Black Marsh over Elsweyr, and either of them over another man/mer province, I think it's unlikely that we'll see Elsweyr for another couple of games.

Since Black Marsh (Argonia) probably compares in difficulty to Valenwood or Summerset Isles (moving tree-cities in one, shimmering crystalline towers in the other), one might suspect that it's the next installment. Unfortunately, the success of Skyrim will probably lead the devs to jump to the half-right conclusion that another "simplistic barbarian" game will sell (when in fact ANYTHING with TES in the name will sell to a LOT of players at this point), and either make Hammerfell or Orsinium next.

As for anyone claiming that "their" portion of the market is larger, the polls are limited to the fans who care enough about the game to post here, and can do so frequently. A broader poll of the market is unlikely, and there is no firm evidence to suggest that either viewpoint is more or less represented here than in the market at large, yet it's likely that the opinion here is skewed; we don't know which way. Unless you can provide evidence, or prove that you know everyone's opinions, I'd be highly skeptical of any claims about that market. Besides, nobody's released a decent open-world "character-based" RPG since Morrowind, so nobody really knows how large the "niche" market for such games really is......they might be surprised, but I don't claim to "know" for certain.
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 12:39 pm

Hammerfell? Barbaric? O.o what are you smoking? and yea it would be really hard to get all the races of khajiit into one game
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Post » Fri May 04, 2012 11:49 am

Some TES fans (including this one) just do the old "eye roll" when we see yet another poll about where the next TES game should be set.

I'm hoping that Bethesda has a long-term plan for these games, and that they are not swayed from that plan by bending to fickle fan pressure. They should know right now where the next game, and the one after that, will be located. If they don't have such a plan, they're fools. I don't think they're fools. :)

Think about this, folks: Somebody is working on this all the time. It's somebody's job to do this.
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