I was good for today here today is over. And I'm having internet problems on my laptop. This is my parent's laptop and they don't have skype and all. I always forget the time differences. Saturday is over here, it's almost midnight but it's midday or something where you are no ?

It's 5:30pm here.

But anyways, I'll just PM the idea to you.

I'm on now, if anybody cares. It's only 2:30 here, so I've got plenty of time.

What does that mean?

He's the [censored] batman!

It means he finally grew some balls and decided to come back.

Ok here are the estimated sizes of the armies based on geographic location, population, lore, and current events:


The Kingdoms of the West (82,350)

Daggerfall-------43,755
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Daggerfall------22,575
Anticlere-------8,500
Daenia----------7,050
Shalgora--------2,500
Illessan Hills--2,150


Camlorn----------38,575
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Camlorn---------17,750
Kambria---------6,775
Koegria---------6,500
Dwynen----------4,150
Urvaius---------3,500



The Kingdoms of the East (76,200)

Wayrest----------42,700
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Wayrest---------25,150
Alcaire---------7,000
Menvia----------6,550
Markwasten------4,000


Evermore----------33,500
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Evermore---------15,750
Gauvadon---------6,800
Gwened-----------5,750
Portdun----------5,200


The Kingdoms of the North (36,300)

Northpoint---------25,925
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Northpoint--------10,850
Thorkan-----------4,500
Alsace------------4,150
White Haven-------3,975
Auvergne----------2,450


Shornhelm-----------10,375
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Shornhelm---------- Demilitarized
Darguard-----------4,250
Thornvale----------3,175
Eagle Brook--------2,950

He's the hero Gotham Wayrest needs! (He's not the hero Wayrest wanted, but it's what they got)

I rather approve of the above estimates (which has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact it gives me the most troops). All things considered, the Daggerfall estimate comes out rather what I expected.

Aroundabouts what i expected for alsace and Ilessan hills.

Size-wise, Northpoint isn't that much smaller than Daggerfall or Wayrest. Smaller, sure, but not to the degree of its personal army being doubled by those of Wayrest and Daggerfall. Just my thoughts.

So I am thinking of making Thorkan renowned for their mines and rather serious/stern populace. Would that be okay? Or does that go too far against the lore of other nearby areas?

Wayrest has the largest army for any one state of High Rock, which correlates to with it being the most populated region in High Rock at the moment. However, the other states under vassalage to Wayrest are largely in the Wrothgarian Mountains. This means less land to be farmed, therefore a smaller population.

So all in all it works out pretty well. Vincent and I spent a good hour speculating those numbers to get them just right.

Everything up there correlates directly with each state's geographic location, current events, and their estimated population.

Naturally the West is going to have a much larger combined population than the East. This is due to the fact that they have much more land on the Illiac Bay (which translates into sea trade and a better economy, which in turn translates into more people) and the land is much more usable than in the East. It's easier to cut down forest for lumber and then use the land to farm than it is to terrace farm mountainsides.


In normal times Northpoint would have an army of just about the same size as Camlorn, however Northpoint and Shornhelm just emerged from a long and bloody war with each other. Both nations are somewhat battered and beat down. Shornhelm has even been demilitarized.

That's the only reason they have such low numbers.


Sounds good with me. Personally, I haven't put much time into fleshing out the North, so unless anyone else has any input on the matter I'm ok with it.

Ah, that makes sense then. I completely forgot about how the war would've affected the army.

Posted the next stage of Meldorn's exciting tale. A little dark, I must warn you, grizzly stuff. Not at all for the faint of heart, if you don't like that kinda thing, avoid.

Actually I'm pretty sure Daggerfall is more populated than Wayrest; the capital city at least is. 'A History of Daggerfall' makes mention of Daggerfall the city having a population of around 110000 at 3E 401 and while no number is given for Wayrest, it is said that 'It is always difficult to find an exact number, but the capitol city of Daggerfall certainly outnumbers her rivals, Sentinel and Wayrest.' Doesn't give us much of an overview on countryside of course, but unless I missed a piece of lore that explicitly says Wayrest is the more populated of the two (and not in the sense of their post-Warp holdings, since the Warp gave Wayrest a long stretch of Iliac coast up to and including Anticlere that it doesn't have here) it's pretty conceivable Daggerfall would outnumber Wayrest. However, the army numbers suit me fine because warfare isn't a democratic pursuit exactly in the pimpster kingdom of the west, what with the chevaliers and all, and the reluctance to arm peasants trims the numbers somewhat.

I think during the baby stages of the RP Vincent and I had decided that Wayrest had become the main port on the Illiac or something of the sort. Of course things like population can always be changed without harming things. When I get home tonight we can all figure it all out.

I'm back.

Am I meant to qoute the words of many a person "Dear Lord" I believe is the Phrase anyway update for you if you dont Know Northpoint train crashed into daggerfall train, Meldorn lariat escaped public enemy 0 cos know one knows hes escaped and someone else can fill you in on the rest.

Sorry about my absence, school is getting busy at the moment, once the football season finishes I'll have some more free time at the weekends so I'll pop up more, Asap you can control me around if you want to get moving.

Circa Daggerfall, yes, but post Warp Wayrest is in ascendency. I think it might even be in a Oblivion rumour that it is established as the new major player and most populous city in High Rock. Can someone else confirm this?

So I'm creating a couple of Knightly order's, which I assume is alright with y'all? I can go ahead and post what I have for them so far if y'all want, and in an actual Lore write-up I will flesh them out some more. They currently only have some basic information since they're footnotes on the CS I'm making.

Sure thing man! Go ahead and post them up. I'm interested to see what you've created.

Here ya are!

I'll make the new OCC thread real quick and then reply in there.