Imperial legion helmets

Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:47 pm

In Morrowind the Imperial legion helmets look like http://www.uesp.net/w/images/MW_Armor_ImperialSteelM.jpg Strangely, this looks like a Roman helmet, http://www.medievalarmor.com/medieval-armor-images/imperial-roman-helmet-8112.jpg but without the broom part on top. Even stranger, in Oblivion the Legion helmets look like http://www.uesp.net/w/images/Oblivion_AdamusPhillida.jpg and Greek helmets look like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg/450px-Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg The Oblivion helmet doesn't look quite the same as the Greek one, but a http://www.uesp.net/w/images/OB-Chorrol_Statue.jpg (I can't find a better picture!) in Chorrol has a helmet that looks almost like it came out of 300. Why the drastic helmet style switch?
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:19 pm

Perhaps the provencial legionaires simply have a different... uniform from their home form? Maybe the provencial armour is designed with intimidation and awe in mind where as the home province is more interested in pure functionality. After all, you want the edges of your empire to be in great enough awe (or fear or maybe even respect) to not really want to mess with you.

Another reason could be empire-wide uniform changes. The more decorative Morrowind armour might have been too big a drain on the imperial coffers so they went with something easier, cheaper, and possibly quicker to produce.

Dunno really. But I can't wait to see what the great lore-seekers can come up with.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:50 pm

Perhpas the Dunmer had weapons like falxes. making the legion n eed to add reinforcin bars. i liked the old helmet s. the pseudo corinthian helmets seem rathe r stupid to me.

but honestly, who knows?
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:37 am

Simple change in art direction. I'm not crazy about the plate armour either, but I've done enough Oblivion bashing in the other thread.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:52 am

In Morrowind the Imperial legion helmets look like http://www.uesp.net/w/images/MW_Armor_ImperialSteelM.jpg Strangely, this looks like a Roman helmet, http://www.medievalarmor.com/medieval-armor-images/imperial-roman-helmet-8112.jpg but without the broom part on top. Even stranger, in Oblivion the Legion helmets look like http://www.uesp.net/w/images/Oblivion_AdamusPhillida.jpg and Greek helmets look like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg/450px-Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg The Oblivion helmet doesn't look quite the same as the Greek one, but a http://www.uesp.net/w/images/OB-Chorrol_Statue.jpg (I can't find a better picture!) in Chorrol has a helmet that looks almost like it came out of 300. Why the drastic helmet style switch?




Eh-- Nevermind.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:49 am

Simple change in art direction. I'm not crazy about the plate armour either, but I've done enough Oblivion bashing in the other thread.


well, at least thy snuck a little Milanese into the game in the form of steel. though, only vaguely Milanese. the helm was more a a barbutta than anythn else.

more than anythin, the lack of close-face helms disturbed me.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:02 pm

You know.. I saw that statue, and IMMEDIATELY though "Pella"..... Too bad those Oblivion quest people never bothered to implement that little gem in more ways than just the statue.

Hi, no hits returned for Pella. Did you mean Palla?

I first thought Pieta, actually.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:45 pm

Obviously it was change in art direction, but will be explained away as situational armor. Morrowind has different weapons and a different climate and geology.
I really wish Oblivion would have used the Roman-like armor...and the jungle....
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:50 am

Obviously it was change in art direction, but will be explained away as situational armor. Morrowind has different weapons and a different climate and geology.
I really wish Oblivion would have used the Roman-like armor...and the jungle....


I actully wanted to see men in full 15 century plate. in the jungl. for she er comedic value.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:34 pm

I actully wanted to see men in full 15 century plate. in the jungl. for she er comedic value.



Then you need little girls claiming to be dorathy going out with a can of oil, to get them unstuck, when their armor rusts in place.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:27 am

Then you need little girls claiming to be dorathy going out with a can of oil, to get them unstuck, when their armor rusts in place.


thy wouldnt be using it if it werent adapted properly now, would thy? you want weirdness, thers youre weirdness. men in gleamin steel sallets meandering about th jungl...
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:46 pm

thy wouldnt be using it if it werent adapted properly now, would thy? you want weirdness, thers youre weirdness. men in gleamin steel sallets meandering about th jungl...



Plate would be just plain too restrictive in that environment. Leather, and light chain would be better.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:42 am

Plate would be just plain too restrictive in that environment. Leather, and light chain would be better.


i know. duh. me and tymodeusz agreed that the legion wass grossly misinterpreted. hoewever, before we dumped it, we had our projct set so that legionnarys would be fighting naked argonian tribesman alon g the swamp-borders, wearin fullplate, whilst tossing atlatl and limed man-heads, and swinging mihgty macuahuitls.

for a person so innterested in reinjectin weirdness to TES, your kinda shootin me down... :shrug:
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:12 am

well, at least thy snuck a little Milanese into the game in the form of steel. though, only vaguely Milanese. the helm was more a a barbutta than anythn else.

more than anythin, the lack of close-face helms disturbed me.

I wasn't happy about the lack of closed helms either; without KotN or SI, the only useable closed helms were the Daedric, Bound, and Dwarven. However, such helms would be more practical in Morrowind, where they'd grant face protection from the ashstorms.

But overall I liked the style of the TES IV Imperial armor better than the TES III Imperial armor. It looked like a combination of Greek and European. But I'm just not a big fan of Roman-style armor.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:47 am

i know. duh. me and tymodeusz agreed that the legion wass grossly misinterpreted. hoewever, before we dumped it, we had our projct set so that legionnarys would be fighting naked argonian tribesman alon g the swamp-borders, wearin fullplate, whilst tossing atlatl and limed man-heads, and swinging mihgty macuahuitls.

for a person so innterested in reinjectin weirdness to TES, your kinda shootin me down... :shrug:



I'm a bit of an oddball.. I believe that a world should be believable, AND exotic.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:21 am

I'm a bit of an oddball.. I believe that a world should be believable, AND exotic.


hmm... its all or nothin on my end. floats youre boat i guess.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:50 pm

I havn't read all of this, so it may have been said before, but all provinces has there own style. Could you see the Legions marching through the Black Marsh in the Cyrodillic style? It would be a very hard for one. Could you see that same style having to march through Hammerfell? Heatstroke anyone? The armor has to match the various needs of the province and that I suppose along with the devs just wanting a new look is the reason for the change.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:05 pm

I think since because most of the rest of the legion is in the other provinces, they're using more practical armor while the legions in cyrodill are using a more ceremonial armor that isn't as practical. The armor seen in morrowind looks like it would be easier to manuever in.
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:01 pm

I think since because most of the rest of the legion is in the other provinces, they're using more practical armor while the legions in cyrodill are using a more ceremonial armor that isn't as practical. The armor seen in morrowind looks like it would be easier to manuever in.

I think that each armor is more practical for their environment; Cyrodiilic armor does protect more of the body than its Morrowind variant, ideal for the more static Cyrodiilic soldiers, while the Morrowind variant is more practical for a soldier constantly on the go, which is common for such an untamed province. After the Armorer's Challenge, the legion would probably adapt armors for each province.

The Oblivion helmet doesn't look quite the same as the Greek one, but a statue (I can't find a better picture!) in Chorrol has a helmet that looks almost like it came out of 300. Why the drastic helmet style switch?

Because THIS IS CYRODIIL!!!!
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:32 am

I think that each armor is more practical for their environment; Cyrodiilic armor does protect more of the body than its Morrowind variant, ideal for the more static Cyrodiilic soldiers, while the Morrowind variant is more practical for a soldier constantly on the go, which is common for such an untamed province. After the Armorer's Challenge, the legion would probably adapt armors for each province.


well, it would be diffucult to prove my hypothesis or yours seeing as theres really no other game in another province we can see for ourselves in. There isn't much specific lore as far as I know, so in the future we will soon know..... :shifty:
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Post » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:11 am

Different regions call for different armors; just look at how legionaries in Morrowind use netch leather boots while in Cyrodiil they use steel boots. Vvardenfell is poorer than Cyrodiil, so cheaper and local materials are preferable. Some regions seem to share certain styles.
The legion armor worn by guards in High Rock (Daggerfall) look very similar to that of the Cyrodiil legions (Oblivion), while the legion armor in Morrowind (Morrowind) look a lot like that of Hammerfell (Redguard)...well, at least the helmet.
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