What Regions Have We Not Visited in TES Series? Do you think : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:27 am

Or someone looks around and says, "Whoa! We've done this before. Last time we did it, the world was destroyed! Let's not do it again." Or there is a convenient, mutual enemy (like Thras! Again!) who epitomizes what everyone hates about bad guys, who are just wrong.

An external threat could happen, I guess. But that's about the only thing I see happening. The Thalmor aren't just going to change their mind for no good reason...

» Sun May 06, 2012 9:58 pm

Nords make the most sense, but all races live in Skyrim, with the exception of possible Khajiit everybody could have a reason for joining any particulair faction. Though it's definitely true that most would be more inclined to join the Empire instead of the Stormcloacks there is something to be said for people joining both factions, even when joining the Rebels there is no real hatred for somebody who isn't a Nord, you're just frowned upon. The same applied to Morrowind, you weren't a native so you weren't as important. None of the great houses loved you at first, and the ashlander tribes were certainly cautious of a foreign Nerevarine... Still everybody could have a very good reason for wanting to join one side or another, I see no real problem there.

In Summerset it would be different however, the Isles have from what I can gather pretty much kicked out all non Thalmor and place a heavy preference on Altmer where Bosmer are second, Khajiit are probably allowed but then regarded as third rate citizens and the rest can kiss their ass. There would be no logical way for an Imperial, Nord, Dunmmer, Redguard, Breton, etc. to walk around there and be anything important or you know walk around there and not be hunted down on first sight by some Thalmor agent.

True in Skyrim, not true in a place where every none Dominion race would preferably be killed on sight by the very government... There is no way you could start out as a small time ex-convict in a place like that.

It not impossible. In fact, I'd say it's being set up, especially with all the comments in-game about the next Great War.

Titus Mede II isn't an idiot, which may be a departure from previous emperors. The Empire's legions isn't spread out over large portions of land like in the past. Hammerfell is still part of the Empire, just sort of a flux auxullary state rather than an actual province, and many HATE the Thalmor (this is due to the White-Gold Concordat). The people of Valenwood and Elswyre have issue with the Thalmor if all the genocide/ethnic cleansing reports are true (considering the Thalmor agents you meet in game, it probably is). You could say Skyrim's loss hurts the Empire, but that is one possibility; it could still be a province, or Titus II could strike a deal with the Stormcloaks to give greater autonomy and say in the Imperial Court as long they submit to Imperial taxes and law.

Then there's the whole Psijic Order and their enmity with the Thalmor.

All this means is that when the next Great War happens, it looks like things are really staked against the Dominion.

Cue TES: VI, showing a different Summerset Isle. The Dominion has lost, and badly at that. The Altmer, who aren't a really populous race to begin with, are feeling strain and are weary from war. The Thalmor are only a shade of what they were a few years past in Summerset, and non existent outside of the island. Cue the next player character, caught between Altmer who want to return to the Empire, Altmer who want total Independence from the Empire and the Thalmor, and the Thalmor themselves, who have their own goals.

You can have a whole rise of Auri-El thing just so dragons can once again feature prominently (and more importantly get beefed up).

If this is true, it'll be Summerset, or Valenwood.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:35 am

It not impossible. In fact, I'd say it's being set up, especially with all the comments in-game about the next Great War.

Titus Mede II isn't an idiot, which may be a departure from previous emperors. The Empire's legions isn't spread out over large portions of land like in the past. Hammerfell is still part of the Empire, just sort of a flux auxullary state rather than an actual province, and many HATE the Thalmor (this is due to the White-Gold Concordat). The people of Valenwood and Elswyre have issue with the Thalmor if all the genocide/ethnic cleansing reports are true (considering the Thalmor agents you meet in game, it probably is). You could say Skyrim's loss hurts the Empire, but that is one possibility; it could still be a province, or Titus II could strike a deal with the Stormcloaks to give greater autonomy and say in the Imperial Court as long they submit to Imperial taxes and law.

Then there's the whole Psijic Order and their enmity with the Thalmor.

All this means is that when the next Great War happens, it looks like things are really staked against the Dominion.

Cue TES: VI, showing a different Summerset Isle. The Dominion has lost, and badly at that. The Altmer, who aren't a really populous race to begin with, are feeling strain and are weary from war. The Thalmor are only a shade of what they were a few years past in Summerset, and non existent outside of the island. Cue the next player character, caught between Altmer who want to return to the Empire, Altmer who want total Independence from the Empire and the Thalmor, and the Thalmor themselves, who have their own goals.

You can have a whole rise of Auri-El thing just so dragons can once again feature prominently (and more importantly get beefed up).

If this is true, it'll be Summerset, or Valenwood.

That could happen, but it would mean a decesive loss for the Thalmor, both from the outside and the inside. I'd really hope for something like that to happen, but I don't think the dominion is going to end in the next game already. They have just started becoming a force of power and a lot of thought has been put into them, I don't think Bethesda will just make them useless in the next game already. Though if it let's us go to Summerset, I'd be perfectly happy with it.

» Sun May 06, 2012 6:55 pm

That could happen, but it would mean a decesive loss for the Thalmor, both from the outside and the inside. I'd really hope for something like that to happen, but I don't think the dominion is going to end in the next game already. They have just started becoming a force of power and a lot of thought has been put into them, I don't think Bethesda will just make them useless in the next game already. Though if it let's us go to Summerset, I'd be perfectly happy with it.

Well, this is what DLC expansion packs are for. I believe it isn't just coincidence that Morrowind and Cyrodiil are present in Skyrim landmass wise. I predict that the final DLC for Skyrim will be aiding the Empire/Skyrim/Valenwood rebellion against the Thalmor/Dominion. (Morrowind is probably for the Revenge of the Dunmer, but whatever) With all the reasons I posted earlier, plus the Dovahkiin in their side, decisive victory is all there is to it.

I say that because I am seriously doubting Bethesda will make the Thalmor a join-able faction. Beside from a few RP's on this board, here and everywhere else the view of the Thalmor/Dominion is overwhelmingly negative. Which should surprise no one- people aren't quick to lump themselves with a group so openly and blatantly racist and with a massive superiority complex (The Thalmor). Besides, a group has to take the place of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Jerkass; you had the Sixth house in Morrowind, and the Mythic Dawn in Oblivion. Considering their negative disposition, as well as negative feedback regarding the players, I see the Thalmor being the bad guys in DLC/TES VI.

Then again, Fallout 3 allowed the player to join the Enclave. But not really, and only at the end. So... yeah.

Let's face it: it doesn't help that- to the regular player mind you- they're http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObviouslyEvil, and their belief system includes http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FinalSolution

Edit: Yes, I linked to TvTropes. Yes, I am evil for doing so.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:17 am

That could happen, but it would mean a decesive loss for the Thalmor, both from the outside and the inside. I'd really hope for something like that to happen, but I don't think the dominion is going to end in the next game already. They have just started becoming a force of power and a lot of thought has been put into them, I don't think Bethesda will just make them useless in the next game already. Though if it let's us go to Summerset, I'd be perfectly happy with it.

Pretty much this. It's got to build. Even with all the manipulation the Thalmor are still a relative new force in TES game-wise, and it's something that might be fun to play. Instead of "Here's a giant evil now save the world from it", maybe VI is more down to earth. Somewhere on the front lines against the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion, which would probably be Hammerfell or Valenwood.

Personally, the thought of an entire province of Bosmer gives me nightmares, so let's go Hammerfell! (Seriously though, the more I read about it the more I like the sound of it.)

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:04 am

and I think you're severly underestimating the difficulty of properly animating a talking tiger / housecat / whatever.

They already have the well-animated sabrecats and they successfully made talking dragons. I don't think adding speech to sabrecat models would be very difficult.