Paarthurnax described the Dragonrend as an ability that forces dragons to understand the concept of mortality. Is this basically the effect Lorkhan's creation of Mundus had on spirits? And if so, does this mean it's basically the reverse of dracochrysalis?

With the Dragonborn being thought of as a Shezzarine by many here, one can say it is equivalent to Lorkhan forcing mortality onto the other Aedras as part of the re-enactment that leads to mantling.

Basically.

Dragons don't understand mortality, as they are divine beings. With Dragonrend, it forces that concept on them, and breaks them. It's also a shout filled with the utter hatred of dragons.

This is why Paarth wasn't able to teach it to you, because he is a dragon, and as such, doesn't understand the concept behind the shout. In addition, it's also why the Gray Beards won't teach it to you, because they don't want to know and become such unrelenting hatred.

Props to Lady N for pointing this gem out. For those who don't know, its from the Five Songs of King Wulfharth, a book that harkens back to Morrowind. Undeniably Dragonrend.

I'm pretty sure in-game it's stated that Dragonrend is created by the three Tongues to use against Alduin. Is it possible he saw them using it?

Or is it possible that it's speaking about Slow Time? Shake = Disorient, Dragon = Time. Shake the Dragon -> Disorient Time -> Slow Time.

Five Songs tell of him watching the Ghost of Shor do battle with Alduin as he had done before in the Dawn. I have a sneaking suspicion that the "Ghost of Shor" were the Nordic Heroes who defeated him. Or at least, they were channeling the ghost of Shor. We know that later Wulfharth himself channels the Ghost of Shor, so it probably wasn't literally Shor doing battle. It was him by proxy.

The Songs of Wulfharth don't work anymore. The only time we here of him was when Balgruuf said he was Dragonborn, and the tablet in Windhelm.

I won't be surprised if Bethesda looked at it and thought "it's just a myth!" and ignored it. Alduin isn't Auriel, so no, Shor did not fight him in creation. Or Shor fought both... but then who won? Were the Nords venerating both Shor AND Alduin, despite them being enemies? Were they not enemies? Then did they not fight? Nothing about Alduin (or Nordic history) meshes with previous (in-game) lore. I really, really, really hate this new Dragon War lore.

Shake the Dragon speeds up time. So I doubt it's dragonrend.

Come again? Why doesn't it work?

Alduin was floating around because of the Dragon Break. He may have reappeared earlier, but then was he dragonbroke again? Does Paarthurnaax not know about it? What did Shor do that made him float around longer then an Elder Scroll? The scroll only delayed Ald for a few hundred years. Shor told that [censored] to wait a few thousand. Rather than expanding on stuff like Alduin, Shor, and Wulfharth, Bethesda simply added new info with no regard for previous lore.

More importantly, The Songs treat Alduin as the Dragon God of Time, who fought Shor in creation. Skyrim treats him as a good dragon who went bad during the Merethic. Akatosh and Shor are (indirectly) treated as allies, but then is Shor all for the kalpa cycles or something? Akatosh apparently tells Alduin to eat the world when the time comes.

Edit: Man, I really can't spell today.

Edit 2: The Songs still make sense as a whole, it's just the whole Alduin thing that seems rather fuzzy.

You lost me here. I'm not even close to aware to what you're talking about here. The Dragon Break of the First Era happened long before Wulfharth's own birth, supposedly year 500 of the 1st Era. I'm not connecting the dots to how its relevant, and why Alduin would even be connected to it. We don't get any dates with regards to the Dragon War, but others have speculated that it happened at the end of the Merethic and/or at the beginning of the 1st Era.


Well, what it says is:
Orkey summoned the ghost of Alduin Time-Eater again.

If Wulfharth later becomes the Ghost of Shor, what might the Ghost of Alduin Time-Eater be like? Alduin the Dragon, I posture. In other words, if mortal men can channel the Ghost of Shor, surely Dragons can channel the ghost of their greatest ancestor as well? Might the Underking and Alduin be equivalents?

Hmm...

The more I think about it, it makes more sense. I just wanted to know how Alduin appeared in the First Era when he was already defeated (and flying along the time stream) after being defeated the the great heroes.

I don't think I have much of an argument, really. I was just posting thoughts incoherently.

The scroll delayed him for thousands of years (from Merethic to 4th era).

Yeah, chronology is definitely a problem. It'd only work if Wulfharth was around, at least during the final days of the war. This is from TIL's timeline:


I was wrong in saying that his birth was in 1E500 (I also made a mistake in saying the Dragonbreak happened long before Wulfharth. It happened long after the Dragon Wars and Wulfharth's rise to prominence). That's when he fought in Glenumbria Moors. I suppose he could have been born in the vicinity (400s), and I'm not sure what Windhelm's memorial dates his birth at. However, he is called Wulfharth of Atmora, and we know that the last ships arrived in 1E68, which puts him well within the time period allotted to the Dragon Wars. Though for all I know "of Atmora" is simply an honorific. We know Talos was called the same.