Can install order affect the CS? Clicking the Face Poser Cra : IV

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:29 am

Even when I have no active plugins and Oblivion.esm is the only item checked, clicking either of the Face Poser tabs will quickly crash the CS. The preview window is also blank when I do click the tab :confused:

The only relevant overhaul (I think) that I have installed is Race Balancing Project. I am using 1.2.404, & activating the .exe just asks to uninstall. While I don't especially need the Face Poser just yet, I'm afraid that it's indicative of some greater problem. Any help is appreciated.
Load Order;

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SI.esp  [Version 1.3]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]16  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8]17  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.8]++  Symphony of Violence.esp18  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3]19  AliveWaters.esp1A  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp1B  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp1C  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp1D  CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1E  New Potions by Tealpanda.esp1F  Reznod_Mannequin.esp20  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.2.2]21  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]22  Get Wet.esp23  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp24  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9]25  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]26  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp27  JQ-Amulets.esp++  MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp  [Version Beta]28  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]29  OC+COBL Luggage Patch.esp2A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2B  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2C  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2D  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2E  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]30  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp31  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 2.0]32  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]33  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]35  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]3D  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]3E  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]3F  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]41  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]42  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]43  ArmoryLab.esp44  Mimics!.esp45  MountainTower.esp46  Museum.esp47  Your_Personal_Museum_Updated-9300.esp48  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]49  The Black Cat Jewelry Store - Daedric Statues.esp4A  UnfathomedTower.esp4B  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp4C  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]4D  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]4E  The Lost Spires.esp4F  OCR + Lost Spires Patch.esp  [Version 3.0]50  Mighty Umbra.esp51  MannimarcoRevisited.esp52  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]53  Mart's Monster Mod - 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» Mon May 07, 2012 9:12 am

Have you ever enabled your microphone on your computer system?
Plug in a microphone in your mic jack, or if you don't have one, plug in a headphone into the mic jack.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:40 pm

Or try the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1182020-rel-construction-set-extender/. It removes those annoying little bugs.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:38 pm

Have you ever enabled your microphone on your computer system?
Plug in a microphone in your mic jack, or if you don't have one, plug in a headphone into the mic jack.

The CS Extender has worked wonders, but I"m curious as to how my mic/headset jacks could possibly have affected the CS.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:29 pm

There is a bug in the voice recorder code built into the CS that causes CTDs when trying to edit responses.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:58 am

There is a bug in the voice recorder code built into the CS that causes CTDs when trying to edit responses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pele5vptVgc

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:57 am

Regardless of the fact that CSE has fixed the problem, I wouldn't expect that particular crash at that point, as you're not opening up any sound-related function.

Although load ORDER shouldn't affect the CS as you typically only load the mod you're working on, which mods you have INSTALLED will affect the content of the meshes and textures folders, so there may be bad content that wants to be rendered when you select that tab. The rendering in the CS doesn't match that in the game (even after CSE) and it can be "touchy" about things like mipmaps and alpha.

One nice thing CSE does is to auto-load parent plugins even if they're esp's, not esm's, so missing content is less likely to be an issue.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:39 pm

It's a bug on Windows 7. The CS crashes if you go straight to the face view on an NPC. You need to view the full body, then the face to stop it from crashing.

EDIT: Or just use CSE, like mentioned