Sorry. I don't think you're stupid, that's why it's tragic. The Nine Divines pantheon was crafted by Alessia as a compromise between the Nordic and Aldmeri pantheons. Yet they all exist. Just because it was made up dosen't mean it's not real.

You could see the Avatar of Akatosh that Martin Septim turned into (Spoilers: IT WAS AWESOME!). And Shor is dead, diminished, no longer one of the Nine Divines. Shor is LESS bright than Tsun, as Tsun was a lesser ada; when Shor was killed, it was like a roaring fire being reduced to a few glowing embers.

Also, the Khajit mythology is very race-central, and thus very suspect.

My theory: TellerGrin is Sheogorath, the original troll. No one is that dense without it being on purpose.

No again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k

SHOR IS DEAD! Do I have to right it in flaming letters in the sky? And since he is dead, and not longer one of the nine divines, he is not powerful! If he was still powerful, he would be one of the Nine! Unless you are saying that Talos is Shor, in which case WHY DOESN'T EVERYBODY IN THE GAME WORLD CALL TALOS SHOR!

At this point, I might just stop arguing with you guys. But I STILL maintain, everything else being open to some amount of doubt, that Hjalti Early-Beard WAS Dragonborn, had a least SOME Nord blood in him, DID master and use the Thu'um to fight his own battles WITHOUT the aid of Wulfharth, and did go on to be Tiber Septim and eventually formed AT LEAST SOME part of the Divine Talos.

Talos is a mythic replacement for Shor. He took Shezarr's place as the Ninth Divine in the Cyrodiilic pantheon. Shezarr used the be the Ninth Divine, but he became less importent as time went on and Akatosh became the leader of the Cyrodiilic pantheon. IIRC, it suffered even more after the Alessian Order. Most people are unaware of Talos being Shor's mythic replacement.

That's not evidence to say he's not powerful you bloody fool. You're ignoring the evidence that say's he is. He exercises his power through his avatars, but you deny their existence and then say their is no evidence for his power. That's insane.

But what about the Nordic Pantheon? By this I mean the ten gods that Nords in Skyrim worship during the 4th Era: Talos, Akatosh, Stendarr, Zenithar, Kyne, Dibella, Mara, Julianos, Arkay and Shor. Shor is a dead god, but a key figure as he rules over Sovngarde, where brave Nords go when they die, so he still exists. Talos is more favored by the Nords as a cultural god, but nearly all of them acknowledge and honor Shor as well...just not as much as the other nine. Talos is an entity distinct from Shor. The main (and I think only, but maybe not) soul of Talos came from Hjalti Early-Beard a.k.a TIber Septim, who was AT LEAST partly of Nordic blood (with some Breton probably mixed in). There, any criticisms?

Evidence for Hjalti being the "Main" or only soul of Talos?
Evidence for Hjalti being of nordic blood?

Shezarr wasn't invented by Alessia, that was Akatosh, whom is but grim Auriel with Shezarr's loving heart in his chest.

Anyways, Talos ascended on the brassy shoulders of Numidium, which broke Aka for a time. From the perspective of eternity, who he may have been in a previous state of existence is no longer relevant.Tiber Septim is purported to have loathed Orcs; Post-Warp, many Orsimer serve proudly in the Red Legions with the blessings of Talos.

I see no reason why that should make it suspect. Cultural bias doesn't have a negative impact on the validity of a myth. A guard at that occasion also says there were no dragons at the time of Tiber Septim, which is clearly false. Just sayin'.

Not exactly links to canon or apocryphal texts, but:

1.Hjalti-who-is-Stormcrown-who-is-Tiber-Septim seems to be most freely associated with Talos when brought up. He isn't necessarily the only soul, but he definitely has most of the influence among the masses.

2.His nordic first name and his title-name (what do nords call that?). That doesn't necessarily mean he was a nord, because he also changed his name to Tiber Septim. However, if it is his birthname, it hints that he was born a nord.

My theory: (feel free to comment/bash if this goes against established lore)

Hjalti, aka Tiber Septim, was a Dragonborn. Wulfharth was a dead Dragonborn Nord hero-king reanimated by Shor (he wasn't an avatar of Shor until he died, Shor liked this guy and instead of letting him party it up in Sovengarde he sent him back with his blessing, aka his power) Zurin was just a powerful battlemage.

In his early conquests, Hjalti-Tiber uses Wulfharth-Underking to represent him in battles he knows he needs to participate in (but he's too occupied by something else). This leads to Talos mantling Wulfharth, aka Shor.

When the big betrayal for the Mantella comes, Wulfharth is split into three, one aspect goes into Zurin, another goes into the Matella (along with a part of Zurin), the last goes into Tiber (due to them mantling). This allows the Mantella to be activated (though with only a fraction of it's intended power) as well as Zurin to continue existing as the Underking. Tiber, now not only Dragonborn, but a Shezzarine (not sure if that's spelled right) as well as having mantled Wulfharth/Shor and taking place in the whole reenactment of the Akatosh/Lorkhan/Magnus fiasco allows him to take Lorkhan's place in the mythic as Talos (notice I said Lorkhan instead of Shor).

Talos takes the place of pre betrayal Lorkhan. In this theory, while Lorkhan and Shor are the same being, they are fundamentally different. As Lorkhan, he wants to create all of Mundus. Though after he's 'killed' by Aka and exists without his heart (both a source of divine power and compassion), he becomes bitter against the other Divines. So when the Mer begin to worship the Dragon God above all (and demonizing him) Shor decides to help Men fight those who worship his 'killer'.
Then comes Tiber. As a Dragonborn, Tiber is one of Aka's chosen soldiers (a symbol of Aka's compassion to Men). Though after the Mantella incident, he is now a Shezzarine (and successfully mantled Shor). This combination allows him to take the place of compassionate Lorkhan (the one who loved all Creation) not vengeful Shor (the one who hated Mer and loved Men).

1. His name has the most influence. A lot of the acts that common people attribute to "Tiber Septim" weren't necessarily Hjalti's. Whether that means that his soul has more infuence in the grand scheme of things is a bit hard to debate. Arguably a bit pointless to. I think having a "main" soul would defeat the point of the enantiomorph.

2. Again, my protest against this theory is that I prefer the idea of Hjalti = Breton, Wulfharth = Nord, Zurin = Cyrodil. The idea of Hjalti being part nord sounds fairly reasonable in itself though not solid enough to base any assumptions on.