Why not simply destroy or dismantle the dragon corpses? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:27 pm

Because only a Dragonborn can kill dragons forever, the Dragonguard searched for a Dragonborn so they could go kill the dragons forever.

The Dragonguard didn't have to power to keep the dragons down.

But Alduin was already gone by then...

I'm not sure dismantling the corpse would really prevent them from coming back. I'd like to imagine the bones would just fling all back together and reconnect before the scales reform and stuff.

But I do agree that reverence for the dragonborn seems rather odd if dragons can't be revived without Alduin's personal intervention. I mean, he's one dragon and dragons ruled the whole world. Alduin can't be everywhere at once, so if dragons were killed in Akavir and Tamriel, he can only take care of one while the other continues unabashed (and when he goes to fix the other, the first can just start up again). Then add in all the other continents, and it would become a nightmare.

That would be really cool :smile:

I just wish he would have revived the dragon in Dragonsreach then... Would have been quite the sight. Still I hope you're right but I don't see any evidence for it in game... I mean if that's the case then why find the dragons at all....Just say the words at a random place. Of course it could require a small sample of the dragons in order to do so...

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:43 pm

But Alduin was already gone by then...

Alduin was gone yes, but there were still dragons left.

Only a dragonborn can kill the dragons forever and thus they needed a dragonborn to kill the remaining dragons.

The Dragonguard can kill the same Dragon over and over again, but it will not stay dead til a Dragonborn is near to absorb its soul.

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:03 pm

Alduin was gone yes, but there were still dragons left.

Only a dragonborn can kill the dragons forever and thus they needed a dragonbron to kill the remaining dragons.

The Dragonguard can kill the same Dragon over and over again, but it will not stay dead til a Dragonborn is near to absorb its soul.

How, there is no evidence anywhere that anybody can revive a dragon except for Alduin... Nobody besides Alduin has ever done it.

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:56 pm

How, there is no evidence anywhere that anybody can revive a dragon except for Alduin... Nobody besides Alduin has ever done it.

Dragons who do not have their soul absorbed by a Dragonborn DO NOT LOSE THEIR SOUL OR DO THE MAGICAL BODY DISINTEGRATION THING. They just come back later

Alduin serves to bring back souls taken from dragons by Dragonborn. I would surmise that after a Dragonborn dies the dragon souls he has taken become free for reuse by alduin.

Long story short if a normal person kills a dragon and no dragonborn is near it just falls on the ground, lies there for like a day or whatever time it takes them to come back, then reawakens and start rampaging again.

Only when a Dragonborn is near do they stay dead because their souls are taken and their body disintegrates.

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:18 am

Dragons who do not have their soul absorbed by a Dragonborn DO NOT LOSE THEIR SOUL OR DO THE MAGICAL BODY DISINTEGRATION THING.

They just come back later

Alduin serves to bring back souls takes from dragons by Dragonborn. I would surmise that after a Dragonborn dies the dragon souls he has taken become free for reuse by alduin.

Where did you get that from? Remember the dragon in Dragonsreach, no evidence at all that he was killed by a Dragonborn. The dragonguard also killed a few dragons, no evidence of any of them coming back to life...
Alduin also revives a dragon in the MQ, that was killed during the Dragonwars he was entirely made up of a skeleton.

» Mon May 07, 2012 1:34 pm

Still I hope you're right but I don't see any evidence for it in game... I mean if that's the case then why find the dragons at all....Just say the words at a random place. Of course it could require a small sample of the dragons in order to do so...

Yeah, I'd think there'd have to be a significant-enough piece of the dragon to focus the shout on, and the rest would come rushing back to rejoin with it.

How, there is no evidence anywhere that anybody can revive a dragon except for Alduin... Nobody besides Alduin has ever done it.

Could be inching too close to 'gameplay' territory here, but the rate at which dragons come back does far out-pace the rate at which Alduin revives them. The first dragon you run into after Alduin is Mirmulnir, who was never killed. After this, dragons start appearing, but Alduin's next goal is to revive Sahloknir. So where are the other dragons coming from?

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:17 pm

Where did you get that from? Remember the dragon in Dragonsreach, no evidence at all that he was killed by a Dragonborn. The dragonguard also killed a few dragons, no evidence of any of them coming back to life...
Alduin also revives a dragon in the MQ, that was killed during the Dragonwars he was entirely made up of a skeleton.

So? They don't have to say a Dragonborn was near when he died for us to know one was. We know Dragons are immortal, and we know ONLY the Dragonborn can kill them QED there must have been a dragoborn there. It is called deduction

The dragonguard after finding a dragonborn traveled with him, they obviously had one with them when they killed said dragons

Yes Alduin does bring a dragon back to life, one that was obviously killed by a dragonborn during the wars.

Also as Huleed pointed it most of its probably gameplay, dragons do appear far faster then Alduin can bring them back

ALSO as far as we know Alduin doesn't even need to be near them to do it he just flies around to make it more dramatic.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:10 am

Yeah, I'd think there'd have to be a significant-enough piece of the dragon to focus the shout on, and the rest would come rushing back to rejoin with it.

Could be inching too close to 'gameplay' territory here, but the rate at which dragons come back does far out-pace the rate at which Alduin revives them. The first dragon you run into after Alduin is Mirmulnir, who was never killed. After this, dragons start appearing, but Alduin's next goal is to revive Sahloknir. So where are the other dragons coming from?

I'm willing to accept that theory.. Sounds good enough. Just makes me sad he didn't go to Dragonsreach...

As for the second point, I think that's gameplay. Most of those dragons don't have names, so I don't really count them as anything more then random shout souls. Also there are more dragons in Skyrim then there are dragon burial sites, so that too makes little sense. Unless of course it's a gameplay thing.

So? They don't have to say a Dragonborn was near when he died for us to know one was. We know Dragons are immortal, and we know ONLY the Dragonborn can kill them QED there must have been a dragoborn there. It is called deduction

The dragonguard after finding a dragonborn traveled with him, they obviously had one with them when they killed said dragons

Yes Alduin does bring a dragon back to life, one that was obviously killed by a dragonborn during the wars.

The first dragonborn is Alessia, in the first era. The Dragonwars were in the late Merethic era. Thus before a dragonborn even existed.Obviously no Dragonborn was with anyone when those dragons were killed.

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:45 am

Gameplay

Making lore seem contradictory and nonsensical since well...... forever

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:22 pm

The first dragonborn is Alessia, in the first era. The Dragonwars were in the late Merethic era. Thus before a dragonborn even existed.Obviously no Dragonborn was with anyone when those dragons were killed.

And so it came to pass that the early Nords, having defeated Alduin in his Merethic form, implemented an unsaid policy of guarding every dragon corpse with no less than five Mjoln-warriors -- hammer warriors of great renown, having earned their legendary status by moving around the geography of Skyrim with their weapons of choice. The Mjoln-warriors' duty were to throw their hammers down upon the skull of any dragon that stirred from death.

However, as strong as the Mjoln-warriors were, there was one enemy that they could only minimally defeat: Time. A few had success when they swung their hammer at this dastardly foe and knocked it back. These swings at their own mortality-clocks only gave a few extra years of life to the ill-fated Mjoln, who were so focused in their dedication against the dragons that they rarely thought of adding to their rank.

It was fortunate, then, that as the last of the Mjoln were expiring, the first of the Imperial dragonborn were on the rise.

Good? Rate on a scale of 1 to 5 facepalms. :smile:

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:02 am

And so it came to pass that the early Nords, having defeated Alduin in his Merethic form, implemented an unsaid policy of guarding every dragon corpse with no less than five Mjoln-warriors -- hammer warriors of great renown, having earned their legendary status by moving around the geography of Skyrim with their weapons of choice. The Mjoln-warriors' duty were to throw their hammers down upon the skull of any dragon that stirred from death.

However, as strong as the Mjoln-warriors were, there was one enemy that they could only minimally defeat: Time. A few had success when they swung their hammer at this dastardly foe and knocked it back. These swings at their own mortality-clocks only gave a few extra years of life to the ill-fated Mjoln, who were so focused in their dedication against the dragons that they rarely thought of adding to their rank.

It was fortunate, then, that as the last of the Mjoln were expiring, the first of the Imperial dragonborn were on the rise.

Good? Rate on a scale of 1 to 5 facepalms. :smile:

Made me chuckle... Now if only something like that would have been added to the game