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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:36 am

1: A Ui That is made more for functionality than Looks , but separate ones for different platforms .

Morrowind had a great Ui for PC users because it had everything on one page, the gridded inventory screen, the map which coloured in places you have been (spell menu was a little off) and a big thing was that you could rescale the ui if you used one window more than another or needed more space

On the xbox morrowind's Ui was a wreck

Oblivion's Ui was dumb on the pc. On the console it worked fairly well once you get used to it (and you needed to get used to it)

Skyrim's Ui was designed by an idiot. "let's make it look like apple"? Well it does look rather futuristic in this medieval fantasy realm right?

As for functionality? I Find it almost Painful to enchant lots of things, i cant see multiple menu's at a time despite the fact that i have two sides on my monitor/screen. Not to mention how poorly things are sorted. The skill trees are rather strange to navigate and.. there is simply Nothing right about it. It could be worse.. bethesda might have tried to make it handle bad. But i am not sure if they tried to make it handle good


What the next game needs is two Separate ui for consoles and pc. The mouse and anologue sticks are completely different to use.

Functionality is MORE important than looks so concentrate on functions!! And if we get a theme.. be it paper.


2:
get rid of cells (loading into every building and cave, who have their interiors separate from their exteriors, every house is stuck in another dimension!! )


3: optimised engine
Other game engines handle as much as gamebryo / skyrim's slightly modified engines with less power. Which means that another game could do MORE on equal hardware. So many things in the game could have been bigger and better if not for all the crappy code.


4: Skills that depend both on player skill and character skill and are fun, balanced and worthwhile .

I mean.. morrowind's activities were all or mostly mostly based on character skill. In skyrim this is inconsistent as some things are entirely dictated by character and some entirely player (Sneak vs lockpicking) and some were entirely perk .

For instance, i think Tod or someone might just scrap lockpicking because they cannot be arsed to fix it! the Security skill would be good if say :

There were multiple types of locks,traps and pick, and if we used the twisting minigame seen in F3 /TesV then.. A master lockpicker will get a 3x softer gradient towards the "spot" and have a 3X larger "spot" and time runs at 0.5 as well as a toggleable setting called "autopick" that opens any device with a very high chance of success.

Similarly, acrobatics would be good if you could do all the things an acrobat/Traceours/Climbers can do and use it to evade and better traverse dungeons and cities. To balance it

Hand to hand (and the weapons skills) could have multiple styles and increased better. I don't see block as necessary

Up to skill 50 the damage stops increasing with skill and the increase of the blocking slows down
Up to skill 75 the speed of the weapon stops increasing and the stamina use stops decreasing with skill
The critical damage and chance always increases as does the weapon's blocking capabilities and chance to hit dodging enemies
If the attributes were to be brought back.. then combat could become much more interesting especialy if animations were made to show strength differences (xivilai with four arms bringing four battle axes down on wood elf swordsman? or the player in enchanted gear using a claymore to drive a shield bearing man sideways?)

Then perks for this are either unlocked automaticaly or are taught by trainers

- and so the rpg "character skill" side of things is improved.. now for the player

Attacking can also parry
The hand to hand skill can be used when holding a weapon.. kicking, kneeing, blocking etc.
You aim where you look and blocking at the right time is better than just holding block.
With amazing hand to hand skills (both character and player, probably skill 75 without agility changes) you can catch blades and arrows if you block at the right time. At lower skill you can grab arms and shafts, and with a high level of magic skill catch destruction spells and throw them back)
Sprint button is also for sidestepping or stepping back, jumping does a dive (sometimes with a roll at high acrobatics) and crouching does a roll.
More weapons and a better control scheme


5: Better npcs and story

- Work on character animation
- add subtle "changers" for npc's that change their soundfiles so that npc's can share audiofiles yet sound different.
- Don't do the same stupid plot destroyer seen in oblivion and to an extreme extent skyrim - where if an npc does not have a trustworthy voice then you know he/she is evil (Every single "bad" character in skyrim, nobody fooled me) Stop with the stereotypes
- Simpler greetings would be much more effective than long ones. I can hear "hi" from many npcs and not be bothered by it. I can't hear the female smith in whiterun's dialogue without being bothered by it.

- more complex, reasonable and well thought out storylines and important characters. While parthanax was very interesting, vivec seemed more majestic. Whilst dagoth ur had a reason to use the heart, create the blight and do acts of evil i found alduin to be a spoiled brat dragon with stranger bones and no decent reasons to be a [censored]. Similarly i liked morrowind's guilds in that you were just someone with talent and loathed skyrim's "you are the chosen one for every faction and the epic storyline is so stupid that it could be summed up in two quests"



Everything in italics is my own opinion and would be disputable.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:32 pm

The text that is in italics is your opinion? Kind of all of it is your opinion. Technically (besides your essay on a Security skill) the italicized parts are footnotes. Anyways, I would like to give a detailed reply to all of your points, but I am on the road at the moment, so I will just say my thoughts on the UI. I don't think that it is bad, merely cumbersome, but if you can get past all the menus then it is fairly functional in my opinion.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:42 am

1. I know many would consider this blasphemy but I think the Morrowind UI was god awful, the inventory was the worst. Oblivion probably had the best IMO, to few items on the page though.

2. the removal of cells wont happen for many years, it simply isn't feasible for most people's computers to run it with modern graphics.

3. I do agree the engine does needed to be optomized

4. Skills work fine as is, the lockpicking skill is great and I don't see why your so beatup about it.

5. The problem with making a GOOD storyline is that games need to be focused in order to do so, they need to have structure and some sort of stuck path for you to follow to make it coherent and thought out. To make a better story would require that they remove a large chunk of the free-form gameplay that makes TES good.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:14 pm

1. I know many would consider this blasphemy but I think the Morrowind UI was god awful, the inventory was the worst. Oblivion probably had the best IMO, to few items on the page though.

2. the removal of cells wont happen for many years, it simply isn't feasible for most people's computers to run it with modern graphics.

3. I do agree the engine does needed to be optomized

4. Skills work fine as is, the lockpicking skill is great and I don't see why your so beatup about it.

5. The problem with making a GOOD storyline is that games need to be focused in order to do so, they need to have structure and some sort of stuck path for you to follow to make it coherent and thought out. To make a better story would require that they remove a large chunk of the free-form gameplay that makes TES good.

About the UI were you playing on a pc or an xbox? Because the Morrowind UI was pretty great on a pc, but admittably svcked on an xbox.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:59 pm

I was on PC and the Morrowind UI blew.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 5:28 pm

I was on PC and the Morrowind UI blew.

Interesting, you are the first one I have heard saying that the prefers the Oblivion UI.

Funny how much opinions can vary.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:08 am

I loved the UI in Morrowind. I've always been a PC player and I think the Morrowind UI really made sense on PC. Resizable windows, all the stats were there, with a click of a mouse button. Oblivion was cramped and the font was horrible, but it did better the search by category. I'd take a Morrowind+Oblivion mix of UI any day instead of the awful Skyrim "Apple" invention.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:28 am

Interesting, you are the first one I have heard saying that the prefers the Oblivion UI.

Funny how much opinions can vary.

Most people I know prefer it and they have been PC gaming for 15-20 years. Morrowind's inventory was the single worst inventory I have seen in a game.

I would rather have Neverwinter Nights stupid box with each item taking up certain squares inventory then Morrowind's
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:16 pm

Most people I know prefer it and they have been PC gaming for 15-20 years. Morrowind's inventory was the single worst inventory I have seen in a game.

I would rather have Neverwinter Nights stupid box with each item taking up certain squares inventory then Morrowind's

Even if you preferred the Oblivion inventory there is still something to be said for resizable windows, everything in one window, ... (sorry for stealing your words Bacchus. :biggrin: )
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:26 pm

Even if you preferred the Oblivion inventory there is still something to be said for resizable windows, everything in one window, ... (sorry for stealing your words Bacchus. :biggrin: )

Everything in one window was the main problem, the sorting blew.

Also resizing the windows only make it large and screen encompassing.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:27 pm

2: get rid of cells (loading into every building and cave, who have their interiors separate from their exteriors, every house is stuck in another dimension!! )
I have the feeling they were this close to open the cities but the Xbox couldn't handle.
The engine is obviously not on par with the scope and detail of this world. They said the engine is new, I have really serious doubts. It feels very Gamebryoish, just a little more polished. I know this won't happen, but if I was in charge I'd build an actual completely new engine for the next gen hardware, or buy one and adapt it for my open world.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:11 pm

Making indoor cells separate is kinda necessary for optimization. When I play Oblivion I breathe a sigh of relief whenever I go indoors - the framerate doubles and the risk of crashes stop.

I think it wouldn't be THAT hard to cheat a little and at least have muffled ambient weather, dynamic light from windows, maybe even a simplified view outside.

But overall I just wish Bethesda would start giving a damn about gameplay and challenge..
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