Shor May NOT be Lorkhan : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Tue May 08, 2012 12:01 am

The 4th Aldudagga fight defines Alduin as an aspect, shed from Aka by "Heaven itself". It also draws Alduin as a more reckless deity: "“Who cares,” the World-Eater said". That covers initiative without mantling.

I think all Dragons are just essence that was peeled off of Akatosh somehow. Alduin was just the first, and possibly the biggest.

» Mon May 07, 2012 7:10 pm

People

FORGET about anything Aldudagga says

The game says that Alduin sought to USURP the power that rightfully belonged to BORHAMU

It says that Alduin was DOOMED when he did this...

Bethesda has gone to great lengths to tell us Alduin is a 'first born' We need to accept it.

Also note that all through the battles with Alduin...there was no disruption in the flow of time. There was never a dragon break...

You're right, but the Dragonbreak thing doesn't help prove much.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:00 am

It may also be a result of TES Tulpa - when the Imperials heard about Alduin's story from the Nords, they probably just thought, "Oh these silly barbarians have gotten our Father Akatosh mixed up with this dreadful world-devouring Alduin!" and then everybody believed it and thought that Alduin was just an aspect of Akatosh. Something like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretatio_graeca

Also: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/shezarr-and-divines

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:53 pm

Can't any number of interpretations of Lorkhan simultaneously exist all at once; Shor, Shezarr, Sheor and Sep ?

Of course.

Remember that the Aedra, even Lorkhan and Akatosh, are not single entities capable of action, they are fragments of being spread out over a multitude of mortals. Thus, Lorkhan is what mortals think he is, because what they think he makes him that. Alduin is Akatosh, but then so is the Dragonborn. They are both fragments of the being Akatosh which does not exist except in the lesser beings it split itself into at the start of the world.

Alduin is a fragment of Akatosh is a fragment of Anuiel is a fragment of Anu is a fragment of Everything. In this way, All Alduins are Akatoshs, but all Akatoshs are not Alduins.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:19 pm

Of course. Remember that the Aedra, even Lorkhan and Akatosh, are not single entities capable of action, they are fragments of being spread out over a multitude of mortals. Thus, Lorkhan is what mortals think he is, because what they think he makes him that. Alduin is Akatosh, but then so is the Dragonborn. They are both fragments of the being Akatosh which does not exist except in the lesser beings it split itself into at the start of the world. Alduin is a fragment of Akatosh is a fragment of Anuiel is a fragment of Anu is a fragment of Everything. In this way, All Alduins are Akatoshs, but all Akatoshs are not Alduins.

I see it this way, and yes this the simpleton's way of seeing things - Akatosh is a god beyond material Mundus and he casts a shadow, actually two or more shadows unto Tamriel. These "shadows" are a god (sublime idea that exist beyond the bounds of material and temporal limitations) being born into a material form. The divine form can never be purely translated into material and carnal form. Therefore Akatosh being born as a dragon will result in Alduin, voracious and hungry spacetime devourer. As a human he might become the dragonborn (although I'm not if it is only Akatosh giving Lorkhan a second chance so to speak). But these incarnations are both Akatosh yet different beings in their material nature.