It's canon: Coc = New Sheogorath

Except, he totally doesn't?

Oblivion Sheogorath
http://images.uesp.net/e/e1/SI-Sheogorath.jpg

Skyrim Sheogorath
http://images.uesp.net/5/5e/SR-npc_Sheogorath.jpg

And these two Sheogorath's look nothing like the one from Daggerfall/Morrowind.


That's how I always thought of it. After roughly 200 years, my Redguard started to mantle Sheogorath so well that he eventually began to look like Sheogorath. Still different, but similar.


He says that himself during his daedric quest, right?

That he does.I feel it lends credence to the 'Coc was Sheogorath the whole time' theory.

no no silly, it's Arden-Sul

I believe it would be someting similar to what happened to Vivec. When Vivec took the power of Lorkhan's Heart time changed, making it so Vivec the God had always been, but Vivec the Mortal lived on. Vivec the God and Vivec the Mortal are not the same, yet they are the same.
Or in other words: I believe that time in the Shivering Isles shattered or something(I don't think a Dragonbreak could occur in a realm of oblivion, but Sheogorath himself heavily implies that time is very different outside Nirn), making it so the CoC lived on as a mortal in Cyrodiil while still taking up the mantle of Sheogorath in the Isles.

There is hints at him being CoC in SKyrim...but only hints.

He says he was there during the Oblivion crisis.....though 'there' is a loose term with Princes....he was summoned at his shrine during the crisis and he also imprinted part of himself (the island and gate) into Tamriel. Both of which can be seen as 'there'.

So technically he was there....I think Bethesda have left this bit of lore open to however you want to look at it.


I prefer to think of it as one big joke on Sheo's half.

Oblivion's Sheo looked best by far. He looks more rugged and rough. I guess since the CoC was a great warrior, some of that carried over into his new personality.

I prefer the vested banker Sheogorath of Daggerfall.

Oblivion onward does make him look more like a clown...

true dat. He just needs better clothes. You can look insane without looking like a court jester.

Don't say that...
Next time we see him, he'll be wearing naught, but a tea-cozy...

Jyggy got sick of his costume so gave it to CoC.

They could give him a pink bunnysuit with the feet cut off so his 3 ft long toenails hang out, and 2 different colored eyes and a pimpcane, and make him pet a shaved, greased up cat while chewing on one of his ketchup soaked bunny ears.

Well, he did mention quest items from specific questlines in Oblivion...

I've always thought that Sheo needed a pet that reflected his insanity. I mean aside from every creepy thing in the Shivering Isles.

I wouldn't trust him with a goldfish.

Haskill is pretty close to a pet/familiar.

Sheogorath's personality took over CoC's. That's all. The CoC also came to look like Sheogorath because...they became one. Sheogorath remembered the way he was supposed to look like.

So, in a way, the CoC is dead.

Not true. the CoC mantled Sheogorath and the two became indistinguishable, but the CoC isn't really 'dead'. Much like how Talos mantled Lorkhan and became the Hub, and now the two really are one.

But does the CoC have any ability to act on the events happening in Tamriel?

In fact, does CoC!Sheograth even know/care about Tamriel now, in 4E 200?

Sheogorath is the 'dominant' personality it seems, even though it's obvious that the CoC retained quite a number if not all of his memories, but he's mantled and perhaps chosen to embrace his role as the Madgod. He probably doesn't know, and even if he did, he wouldn't even care because none of the stuff would affect him. You don't see the other Daedric princes taking sides in the civil war, eh? As for whether or not the CoC/Sheo has the ability to act upon events happening in Tamriel, I believe his influence would only go so far as like what Sheo did in opening a door to his realm - it violated no compact and posed no harm to Mundus. Acting directly would kinda be hard and would probably not benefit him, so even if he could do something, he probably would not.

The god of madness doesnt seem like the most powerful god either. If anyone would intervene in a civil war, I would say Jyggalag would. War can cause a lot of chaos, and Jyg goes out of his way to bring order wherever he can.

If Jyggy would intervene then Sheogorath would as well, if only out of spite. Or he would say he's going to intervene but then never do just to make Jyggy wonder when something is going to happen....

_{Yeah he does reference stuff from Oblivion but i dont't think that sets in stone that he actually is the COC. He says he was "there" but i guess you could argue that he doesn't specifically say he was "behind" it all. Being a Daedric Prince and all he could have just seen it from afar. Also, i know Jyggalag and Haskill say you may grow into the role of Madgod, bit when i played SI's I got the impression that you were just acting as a temporary mortal placeholder of the throne; cos in theory, being a Daedric Prince, the real originl Sheo cant really die. Im probably just fishing for excuses here, buit i think becoming Sheo is a bit of a sad end for an epic hero, and it also invalidates some people's role plays, something which has alsways been avoided in the past.}

No more so then Daggerfell did, which had all endings cramped into one, or Morrowind where instead of leading Morrowind you suddenly dissapear to Akavir, and likely no more then Skyrim's mq will do in the end.