The Dragon of the North will no longer be?

Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:06 am

"The scholars read too much into the uniformity of the divines. A man may have conflicting desires, but must choose between them, thus his finitude. Stand on the mythic scale of raw possibility and all such inhibitions are lost, it is only a matter of prominence. The Alessians inaugurated the prominence of Akatosh. The Marukhati tried to exclusify it. Hjalti reinstated it. The Empire upheld it. The Dagonites ended it. The Dragon of Cyrodiil is bound in stone, and in time, The Dragon of the North will no longer be." http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1249697-on-boethiahs-summoning-day/

Dragon of the North is the definition of Ysmir. That was a title given to both Talos and Dovahkiin.

Does this mean that the Dovahkiin will die in the not to distant future, or is it referring to Talos? If Talos does the claim mean he will fail in his endeavors?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:13 am

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-thread#comment-8554, so I would be hesitant of taking it absolutely seriously. Not that it can't be discussed, just that the possibility of it being something completely unrelated to Bethesda oughta be kept in mind.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:36 am

He never stumbles/
Got no place to fall.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:12 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-thread#comment-8554, so I would be hesitant of taking it absolutely seriously. Not that it can't be discussed, just that the possibility of it being something completely unrelated to Bethesda oughta be kept in mind.
Interesting, though I find it hard to believe that Beth officials wouldn't have come out and said outright that it was not them and that someone else is playing with their IP. That's actually pretty serious legal stuff isn't it?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:51 pm

Interesting, though I find it hard to believe that Beth officials wouldn't have come out and said outright that it was not them and that someone else is playing with their IP. That's actually pretty serious legal stuff isn't it?

Er, take a look at any of the dozen new fanfics posted in the last month in this forum alone. Beth is fine with people playing.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:24 pm

Interesting, though I find it hard to believe that Beth officials wouldn't have come out and said outright that it was not them and that someone else is playing with their IP. That's actually pretty serious legal stuff isn't it?
Er, take a look at any of the dozen new fanfics posted in the last month in this forum alone. Beth is fine with people playing.

Correctomundo. I am one of those fans that just started to "toy around" with the lore without resorting to the fan fic forum (I.E. Monkeytruth-in-training :wink:) :biggrin:

As for the thread in question...wow
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:06 am

Dragon of the North is the definition of Ysmir. That was a title given to both Talos and Dovahkiin.

Does this mean that the Dovahkiin will die in the not to distant future, or is it referring to Talos? If Talos does the claim mean he will fail in his endeavors?
The sentence is a bit ambiguous, I think. "The Dragon of Cyrodiil is bound in stone, and in time, The Dragon of the North will no longer be." My reading of it is that The Dragon of the North is bound in stone like the Dragon of Cyrodiil, and in time will be freed. Don't forget too, that the letters were traded in the early 4th Era, so the Dragonborn being released in Skyrim was still a ways off for them.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:02 am

Isn't that just a prophecy then? The dragon of Cyrodiil is set in stone, you literally have a stone statue of Akatosh inside the temple district of the Imperial city. The dragon of the north will no longer be, can mean that they knew Alduin was coming and was going to be defeated, again.

Atlernatively: Akatosh will soon take over Alduin completely as a name and the Nords will start seeing the dragons as two different beings, 1 with Alduin who wants to destroy the world and the other 1 Akatosh more like the Cyrodiils see him, and for the first time ever they will all believe the same name and meaning to be applied to the Dragon (thus set in stone)

At least that's my take on it.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:38 pm

Isn't that just a prophecy then? The dragon of Cyrodiil is set in stone, you literally have a stone statue of Akatosh inside the temple district of the Imperial city. The dragon of the north will no longer be, can mean that they knew Alduin was coming and was going to be defeated, again.
The Dragon of the North is Ysmir, a title given to Talos and you, not Alduin.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:12 am

The Dragon of the North is Ysmir, a title given to Talos and you, not Alduin.

I know that's the title. Still how do you make a difference between Akatosh/Alduin when the names are interchangable but you still feel they are different things? I'd call one the dragon in the north/Skyrim and the other one the Dragon in Cyrodiil... But I might just be oversimplifying this and doing it completely wrong at that.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:00 pm

The Dragon of the North is Ysmir, a title given to Talos and you, not Alduin.
I don't think they're speaking of the title, but rather of an actual dragon belonging to the North. Dragon of Cyrodiil bound in stone = Akatosh, Dragon of the North bound in stone = Alduin. I too read it as a prophesy of his return. There's a couple of those in the text.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:35 am

As for the thread in question...wow
lol I know right. Superb writing regardless of who really wrote it.

@Lady N Whats the consensus on the authorship among the lore buffs, or would u say that the link provided sums up the answer to that question?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:08 am

@Lady N Whats the consensus on the authorship among the lore buffs, or would u say that the link provided sums up the answer to that question?
Link provided is as good as I can give you. From what I gather, many of us do still think that it's something from Bethesda, but until we get something official TIL isn't going to be publishing it. Again, that doesn't meant we can't talk about it, though.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:04 am

Link provided is as good as I can give you. From what I gather, many of us do still think that it's something from Bethesda, but until we get something official TIL isn't going to be publishing it. Again, that doesn't meant we can't talk about it, though.

Has anything like this happened before in the past?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 8:10 am

Has anything like this happened before in the past?
I'm wondering that as well
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:37 pm

The trial, for one.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:04 am

Has anything like this happened before in the past?
What do you mean by this? Lore writing like this is relatively frequent. The unusual part is that either no one knows or no one is telling. TIL still lists Sotha's letters to Fyr as unidentified, but I don't know if that's us forgetting to label it or whether we really don't know their origin. They proceed me by quite a lot.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:07 pm

What do you mean by this? Lore writing like this is relatively frequent. The unusual part is that either no one knows or no one is telling. TIL still lists Sotha's letters to Fyr as unidentified, but I don't know if that's us forgetting to label it or whether we really don't know their origin. They proceed me by quite a lot.

What I meant is the unusual part you mentioned: No one will admit to it.

Apologies for the confusion.
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