I used to assume that during the creation of mundus, there were entities who sacrificed themselves in the process, some who got involved, but then ducked out and escaped into the Aetherius, some who just didn't care then and don't care now and presumably were in the Aetherius all along and some who said "This should be a laugh," and watched like crows on the fence.
However, different daedra have different origins and they certainly weren't all in that latter category. So do they actually have any shared heritage or are they just denizens of Oblivion who weren't involved in the creation. And what's the difference between Oblivion and the Aetherius; daedra play with mortals, magna-ge don't. Why is that?
And if a magna-ge or Trinimac become a daedroth, can a mortal? Could the dark elves actually be right about their most distant ancestors?
Are there other spirits and worlds? What are Skyrim's familiars and the Caenlorn wolves? They seem worldly one way and otherworldly in others.

Oblivion is the more Padomaic aligned realm beyond Mundus and Aetherius is Anuic (IIRC).

The CoC mantled Sheogorath or something. . . so mortals can become Daedric Princes.

Malacath, Arkay and Peryite were mortals at one time, and Meridia was a Magna-Ge. Meridia was also the daughter of Magnus (who may now be Mehrunes Dagon)

Peryite a mortal? Where? Also, Arkay was always a god, just one that didn't matter till Mundus, unless you take that ONE story very literally.

According to Merry Eyesore the Elk... Kirkbride.

Link it, and I know Merry Eyesore is MK. What is it with people assuming I'm totally clueless to everything lately?

I was posting that for the benefit of the new guy.

It was from a while back. It was a discussion about how half of the current Daedra were born this Kalpa, and the other older half become Aedra in the next Kalpa. So half the current Daedra were born this Kalpa in some way.

Oh, Boethiah's....thing or whatever.

Yeah that's it. The Boethiah's Summoning Date post.

Wasn't Malacath, Trinimac?

I thought the whole thing with the Orc's was that they were Altmer who worshiped Trinimac, then he got eaten and dropped as a Daedric duce. Which is what contributed to the Orsimer Transformation?

Yeah, but Trinimac wasn't Aedra or Daedra, he was pretty much a mortal. He was just a really powerful Aldmer. And they didn't worship him, they followed him as a leader.

He was an Aldmer?

Fair enough, I didn't realise the Orsimer transformation went that far back.

How did Trinimac's transformation effect the rest of his followers as it did? - I always assumed this was because he was a patron deity.

Edit:

Did a quick Search: According to UESP, Trinimac was a the Strong God of the Aldmeri. Apparently in places more popular the Auri-el. It was Boethiah who ate him and corrupted him (turned him into Malacath) in an attempt to make the Aldermi listen to him, which is what caused the CHIM exodus and the creation of the Orsimer.
Apparently the Orsimer were another sect of the same Trinimac followers who were opposed to the Velothi. They were corrupted by Boethiah for trying to stop the exodus.

Now that confuses the hell out of me.
How is Malacath a Daedra?
He's obviously an Ancestor for the Dunmer and Orsimer?

Few things: don't cite UESP, it's bad form.

Trinimac dates to a time when 'aldmer' and 'god' weren't 100% distinct.

'daedra' is a play on words. 'it means 'not our ancestor' and 'our stronger, better ancestors' at the same time. The dunmer claim metaphorical descendence from Boethiah.

Well that's a helpful reference, which addresses almost everything I asked. I can hardly blame you for assuming I'm new here after overlooking that. From what I've heard about Skyrim, the daedra are acting a bit more like fairies as well as shy demons, which is fun. They seem to be everything but aedra and mortals, including some ex- aedra and mortals.

UESP lists its citations just like Wikipedia, though, so how is it bad form to cite UESP? This is an honest question, by the way.

The direct ingame information on UESP Is fine, but the summaries can be misleading and leave room for error. The TIL is more reputable and just as accesible.

Another thing is that several of the articles make false or misleading claims without sourcing. I mean, sure, they cite things, but that doens't mean someone can't put in material that's uncited and false. Especially during the new game phase, when a number of articles are being made or rewritten.

Same reason you don't cite Wikipedia. It's best to go to the citations listed in the wiki and use them, not take a summary that can be (mistakenly) taken out of context. Put another way... don't ask Dad what Uncle Joe thinks, go ask Uncle Joe directly.

... but what if Uncle Joe was actually telling what Grandpa Jack was telling about what Auntie May was telling about Cousin Barnie?

Granted, you might want to be a little wary around Dad (he's been drinking too much this fine evening), but I think there comes a point when it's just impractical to attempt to track down all of the original facts by following the citations. As long as your first source is reputable enough, that's good enough for me.

EDIT: Sorry about the late reply, I didn't manage to track down your answers until well after this thread had disappeared to another page.

(raises voice) Stop discussing the validity of UESP citations on my thread.