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The cousins of the Hist that were living on Umbriel. Where do you think they are from? At the end there is a huge land totally populated with these things, and it's not in Vile's realm as far as I can tell.

My guess is another realm that hasn't appeared in a game yet. Or else it's Tamriel in the distant past (or even another kalpa) and those trees end up being the ancestors of the modern Hist.

I wonder what kind of realm it is. Aetherius or Oblivion. What exactly are the "outer realms"? I've heard that term and assumed it referred to Oblivion and Aetherius.

Possibly it's another kalpa and the spire at the end of the book is Adamantium in another kalpa, and in this kalpa the trees are ancestors of the Hist.

so, high rock. i thot kalpas were all the same though?

No. Kalpas change. In the one before this one the Dreugh ruled the world or something like that.

We really have no idea what could have happened to Mere-Glim imo other than they went to some other place. We can theorize on that place though. From the mention of the Tower it seemed to indicate that it was Direnni tower. How that could be we dunno. But we can guess. I think they became a new realm of Oblivion and that "tower" is what is stabilizing that particular pocket of oblivion.

Maybe it's Akavir *runs and hides*.

No, but seriously. It's possible they have towers over there, and if the Hist once covered the whole world before the Ehlnofey wars, it's possible there's some surviving over there too (who've been cutoff from their Tamrielic kin for several thousand years).

My guess is Dawn Era Tamriel (or earlier).

Yeah. Every Kalpa has one new thing built into it, which in turn down the line results in many different things. Imagine a universe that is the same as ours except there is no gravity. As a result, even though the laws of physics are identical in every other way, the universe would be radically different from ours.

The [dreaming] Butterfly Effect

Where are they from? From a planet that didn't take part in creation.... That's about all we know lol

Looks at the name in the quotes. Reads this line again. "Or with Mehrunes Dagon. Do not speak his name to me again. The Master of Scum. The pawn of every Prince of true power, the dupe of every schemer in the Nineteen Voids."

Looks back at quoted name. "Look man I know you're feeling down after the Oblivion Crisis and all but you don't need to be so hard on yourself! I mean you got beat by a guy with a piece of jewelry but I mean at least he was a Septim right? That's got to count for something doesn't it?"

Btw great quote and very appropriate in the context it was used.

One of the Twelve Worlds of Creation, which could mean the previous kalpa.

Chaos Theory.

Yeah, I agree with it being a different (previous doesn't work in terms of multiverses) kalpa. And about one thing changing in each kalpa, is it the same thing that is different, or different things? I have a theory that the new thing in the current kalpa is Talos, but I can't prove it until I know how the whole thing works.

I've been told that the new thing this Kalpa is the LDK being cursed by Alduin into MD.

There are three possibilities as to where Umbriel went. The only thing we really know is that it didn't go to Vile's realm (which doesn't make much sense IMO). But anyway:

First possibility: Umbriel was transported through time to an early point in Nirn's history, when the Hist covered most if not all of the world.

Second possibility: Umbriel was simply moved to another continent on Nirn. Whether this is Akavir or another one that we've never heard of is simply unknown.

Third possibility: Umbriel was transported to a completely new and probably lordless (save possibly for the Hist themselves) realm that we've never heard of.

I'm personally leaning towards the first or second possibility, but can you guys think of any others?

I thought about option 2 but it doesn't make sense because Umbriel was a sausage.

I was the first guy who said distant past. I called it half-baked then and I still don't quite believe it now, if only because Umbrielans can't clasically breed and without the ingenium they can't at all.

I would say that Hist come from a kalpa-chunk freefloating in Oblivion somewhere that nobody found a use for.

A piece that Magnus and the greedy man stole from Alduin? I don't like the idea of going back in time, but if it's just a piece of the previous Kalpa that was stolen or lost, that actually sounds pretty badass. Though I still think its someplace similar to Sovngarde. Where was Sovngarde anyways? Aetherius? Masser? Secunda? Oblivion?

I'm not sure what Aetherius was supposed to be a realm of just white light and nothingness, but Magna ge pantheon makes it seem like Oblivion in negatives with realms and plane(t)s floating around. Eh, maybe it's just a boring realm of Oblivion that hasnt been defiled by the Daedra yet. If that's so, then the trees probably rule it. If the trees rule it, then the trees decide whether mortals can breed or not. Maybe those trees hav created their own mortals, like the Hist made Argonians, or Jyg made the Knights of Order (souless though they may be).

I do love the idea of the realm and the near infinite possibilites of it though. It could be an endless forest filled with untouched wildlife that goes off in all directions for eternity (Oblivion realms are supposed to do that right?)

That brings up another question of mine. Nirn is round, right? If it was like the Oblivion plane(t)s then it would be round from the outside but infinite on the inside (though SI is pretty small, maybe the sea is infinite with an infinite number of landmasses?) Dagon's realm seems pretty huge, though mostly made up of small islands (unless he just put lava between the citadels so mortals couldn't counterattack effectively). I havent heard if the world was fully explored even by the Ehlnofey. I know they sunk whole landmasses into the water, but how far out did they go? They were born on Tamriel, and spread from there, so it's possible there are massive oceans in each direction that they never crossed. Though I'm pretty sure the mortal realm is finite. Everything in the mortal realm seems finite.

Another theory, there were 12 worlds of creation which smashed together to form Mundus. What if there were more that didnt come together and just remained in Oblivion or wherever they were (been a while since I read up on them, but I cant right now)