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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:10 am

So, is there any evidence that simply using conjuration magic with no intention of reaching Oblivion connects one self further to the plane? Something along the lines of how weak willed Sith will quickly be corrupted by the Dark Side and lose free will. That's the best example that I could think of, but not a perfect one, as I'm not asking whether the use of conjuration will lead to being controlled by a Prince, but if it could be used for a sort of enlightenment, not unlike mysticism, and if summoning a deadra will bring your being that much closer to the normally obscured and supposedly unfathomable plane, even if that is not intended.
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Jade Barnes-Mackey
 
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 7:04 am

I don't think so, most that are skilled with conjuration most likely connected Oblivion through several rituals to further increase their summoning abilities but I doubt just by using conjuration makes you closer to Oblivion.

Remember magic does not corrupt, thats just propaganda magickaphobes used to make it seem evil. There is no REAL evidence that Magic can corrupt in the TES universe, only evidence that the power can be addicting for novices who can't handle the power.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:39 am

No.

According to Lord of Souls, you do have to form a temporary psychic link with the individual summoned Daedra. This may amplify the summoner's passions because Daedra, being agents of change, are very tumultuous inside. But not the the level of them Compelling the mage.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:17 pm

Yes!

Stare too long into The Void, and The Void stares also unto you. It goes without saying. Those who fraternise too long with Daedra will always end up with a tinge of a Oblivion on them. Whether this is George Lucas style, crude "corruption", or something like a faustian pact that wears away at even the greatest minds (or a smell that will forever linger..) is up to you I guess. I like to think of it as a mix of all three.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:40 am

'The Doors of Oblivion' should provide some insight but it says in that text that the Conjurers used an existing portal to Oblivion
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 9:30 am

Conjuration is the power of relationships*! Friendship and domination! Everyone rubs off on each other. Eventually-ish.

Then again, that's one connotation. Some styles are probably more technical, less personal, than others. Compare seers, oracles, and priests. They're pretty friendly and enlightened. Then transliminal penetratia. Then mananauts and sunbirds and spaceboats. I digress

Somewhere along the line, telepathy becomes mindr-pe, and conjuration exists at both ends and all inbetween. There's probably a Department for handling possessions and exorcisms.


*2920, last year of the first era. Expert conjurers are like lovers. Intimacy with the planets and stars.
Conjuration demands conjugation
... for proper chanting of said spells, of course

and then some
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:04 am

If you're summoning Atronachs, doubtful. For all intents and purposes, Atronachs are elementals. It's no different than a D&D wizard summoning elementals. The Atronachs come off as mostly mindless and therefore take orders. Even if the atronach in question isn't bound properly, the atronach usually just kills that wizard and wanders aimlessly until it is sent back to whatever plane it came from. Creating bound weapons I also doubt, since it seems to me to be your own magical power given solid form.

Dremora are a different story. Dremora can corrupt like fiends, and draw the mortal soul to it. Only the strong willed can control a dremora and NOT be drawn into Oblivion.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 8:34 am

Atronachs are weird. They're unaligned to any Prince, but daedra supposedly gravitate to the strongest Power that protect them. While I'd like to say they're more mercenary-than-mindless, I'd probably contradict myself. There's probably a whole set of contract-spell-hooplah that goes into the background. Probably left up to the player's own gaming. I think it depends on the daedra, and that's pretty vague--atronachs have spoken with Heroes in past games (a lot of daedra have, which I would've called animals). Particularly in Battlespire; that Hero was chummy with everything (s)he met. Are they magical immaterial robots now?

Bound weapons seem to change from game to game. They're either materialized spirits smushed into convenient shapes, or sitting on some weapon rack in oblivion awaiting a summons, or a personal manifestation, or all of the above. I do like to think they give off some nasty vibes. Anger or insanity. All due to a soul fractured and forged into high-daedron steel.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 5:03 am

No.

According to Lord of Souls, you do have to form a temporary psychic link with the individual summoned Daedra. This may amplify the summoner's passions because Daedra, being agents of change, are very tumultuous inside. But not the the level of them Compelling the mage.

Is there a source for Daedra being 'tumultuous inside'?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:57 am

Conjuration is the power of relationships*! Friendship and domination! Everyone rubs off on each other. Eventually-ish.

Then again, that's one connotation. Some styles are probably more technical, less personal, than others. Compare seers, oracles, and priests. They're pretty friendly and enlightened. Then transliminal penetratia. Then mananauts and sunbirds and spaceboats. I digress

Somewhere along the line, telepathy becomes mindr-pe, and conjuration exists at both ends and all inbetween. There's probably a Department for handling possessions and exorcisms.


*2920, last year of the first era. Expert conjurers are like lovers. Intimacy with the planets and stars.
Conjuration demands conjugation
... for proper chanting of said spells, of course

and then some

I'd almost forgot the 2920 books! I think that's what originally raised this question in my head, actually.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:04 am

If you gaze for long into Oblivion, Oblivion gazes back into you.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:00 am

If you gaze for long into Oblivion, Oblivion gazes back into you.

Any obscure cultures that used this as a form of enlightenment? Similar to how the Psijics use Mysticism? I can easily picture the Dunmer doing it, in particular the Morag Tong, trying to increase their connection with The Web Spinner.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 6:48 am

Like a crazy ex who won't leave you alone, dabble with Oblivion and it will dabble with you. Then one day you're like "Why, oh why did I go there!?" But it's too late, and you'll have an Ogrim sat on your face.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:06 am

It rubbed off on the Ayleids I think. Ayleid stuff is very similar to Auroran stuff.
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