Recently I went over the First Era timeline and examined what is written about the Marukhati Selective Dragon Break of the 1008 years. It seems strange perhaps but I think the Alessian Order, especially the Marukhati Selective, shares a similarity with the Thalmor, as they are both religionist zealots, and both hating the other race: the Alessians hate the elves, and the Thalmor hate the humans. We know that the Marukhati Selective created the Dragon Break to tear human-loving Akatosh out of the original Auri-El, to erase all elven aspects of Dragon of Time, as they believe Akatosh and Shezarr are the same identity, so Akatosh=Shezarr=the Single human-loving, creation-loving God of Time and Space. So what I suggest is, if the Thalmor now is thinking similar, that Lorkhan is a crazy/negative image of their Auri-El, so if they could make Lorkhan return or absorbed by Auri-El, all his creation are then erased and the elves could go back to their et'Ada forms again and forever?

That is to say, what if the Thalmor want to create a Dragon Break to make Lorkhan theirs, a human-hating, creation-regreting God of Space? So Talos must be erased as he shares the human-aspect of Lorkhan and is something more. After Talos falls, the Elves-loving Lorkhan/Auri-El will rise and destroy the hated Mundus.

And about the two years of twin moons missing: what if it really had something todo with the Thalmor, especially their Dawn Magic, which by name is linked with Dagon cult, aka Magnus? The base of the Thalmor was in Valenwood so it was easy for them to establish relations with the Camorans and the Mythic Dawn, if they realized/recognized Dagon as Magnus, and made moons dissapeared for their good? Perhaps a preparation for a future Dragon Break related to Dragon-Drum himself?

Interesting

I agree that the Moon's dissapearing is a much more significant event than how it is played in Skyrim, a few lines in one book.
I have also thought it integral to the Thalmor's plans in some way, though Im at a loss as to why.

Okay, but what would the Thalmor want with Lorkhan? Akatosh, elven aspects and all, was already part of the Cyrodilic pantheon and guarantor of the Covenant. I think you would have to make a case that Lorkhan could be more than just a demon to the elves.

Perhaps that Lorkhan's reconstruction (remember the famous LORKHA MK quote) would reverse the process of creation.

Assuming the Dwemer undid themselves in attempting to make a copy of Lorhkan, perhaps the Thalmor think they can use the real deal to reverse the creation process returning everything to Anu, instead of simply ceasing to be.


Would be an interesting Skyrim expansion "Stop the Thalmor from undoing Creation".

Quote from MKs "Love Letter From The Fifth Era":
The Digitals' record of the Lunar God’s involvement in all of this is called the Great Pain: “The Lunar God failed by his own devices, to show the new progeny how they might not.”
You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.


Perhaps the Thalmor cause MKs "Landfall"...

Thalmor inadvertently drop the moon onto Nirn, Vehk shows up at the last minute and stops it like the Ministry of Truth all over again.

Well, let's see the agenda of the Thalmor

"1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane."

The Wheel binds everything to Mundus, so erasing Talos leads to freeing Lorkhan from the Wheel, or reducing his bond with Nirn

"2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated."

This is the critical part of Undoing of Creation, as Man is the very soul of Lorkhan's creation, just as Elf represents the souls weeping for the prisonment. Erasing Man, not only their lives, but also their every possibilities of existence through Time, this means Freeing the Space from the core of Creation

"3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."

This is the final state of their Undoing the Creation, and we see that, "The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again", here The Dragon=Free Serpent, means Aka=Lork again.

So from here we can see that what the Thalmor want finally IS "An Aka absorbing his Lorkhan pattern returning to his united form that frees everyone from Mundus". Not to erase Lorkhan, only to erase Talos and Man to free Lorkhan and made Lorkhan merged into Aka as one again.

So, the remaining question is, how? Especially on the move 2.

If the Thalmor could strip Lorkhan from Man, then Man is doomed to be dead; and if the Thalmor could stripe Aka totally from Man, then dead Man could be erased from Past, Present and Future, that the dead never exist, and this will be a Dragon Break.

Is it more convinient to use Lorkhan against his own creations?

And the Landfall...perhaps we have seen how the Khajiit reacted when the moons dessapeared. What if by any means all Men races plus many elves are thrown into a state like that, with no love no hope even no recognization of themselves, without the foundation of their very existence, so a Landfall?

Again, I quote "Love Letter"

"Though many Above have renounced Memory, they too remember."


Sounds like a Dragon Break to me...


"When one visits Memory, you become filled with the first ideas of the Lunar God, and see the trap within the trap."

I'm thinking even if one were to wipe Man and all memory of man, etc., the concept and memory of man still exists as long as Lorkhan exists, creating a paradox.


"Those who do not fail become the New Men: an individual beyond all AE, unerased and all-being."

Implies that at one point, man was erased...

So, perhaps a Dragon Break will occur, and will last a certain period of time that, during this period Man is erased while at the same time not erased due to the nature of a Break, and the nonlinar time promises all these possibilities true. When the Dragon Break ends the Time becomes normal and the remaining men that is unerased due to love or other reasons becomes the New Men.

This may be where a future game could be set, to lead the New Man future come true. However not in a DLC of Skyrim it seems I'm afraid?

Isn't that paradox of men existing a reflection of Lorkhan himself, as he exists somewhere while the same time nowhere? And isn't it a reflection of the nature of Dragon Break, as everywhere, somewhere and nowhere are all possibilities that can not be denied?

Exactly!

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/obscure-where-were-you-when-dragon-broke

The line from R'leyt-harhr, Khajiit, Tender to the Mane: Just don't think you solved what you accomplished by it, or can ever solve it.

The Thalmor and the other Altmer "extremists" (for lack of better term) want to wipe man from Lorkhan but keep Lorkhan, but with out man or it's memory, Lorkhan isn't truly Lorkhan, it's very nature changes and it becomes something else. And if Lorkhan is preserved as truly Lorkhan, then the concept of man remains, and would just be created again. Paradox - Dragon Break - Landfall?

Theory:
The Mythic Dawn and the Thalmor are the same exact orginization, and the Oblivion Crisis was just a diversion to hide what the Thalmor were doing with/to the Moons (body of Lorkhan).

And traces back all the way to Jagar Tharn.

Tamriel equivalent to the Illuminati

Men erase themselves all the time. Constantly.

Whether or not the Mythic Dawn and the Thalmor are the same, the Oblivion Crisis did disfunct the White-Gold Tower and through the end of Septim line removed the Aka blessing of man from the world, as Martin-Akatosh had left. And the White-Gold Tower, a wheel within the Wheel, was/is important to Talos.

So it was not a diversion. It fit the interests of the Thalmor very well. Either they lit it as the Mythic Dawn themselves, or they as a relevant group profit from it so much.

I think that's misreading the Loveletter. That same quote talks about attempts to reach the final subgradient. The Tower, the state before the divison of Anu/Padomay. Kagrenac's project is best viewed in the simplest terms. Making one out of many, just as Creation is Many made out of the One of the Godhead.

On the evidence, we have no reason to believe they aimed at anything but divinity, but the Loveletter puts it in the category of the Endeavour.

As I understand it, the Thalmor actively pursue the Aldmeri nostalgia for the pre-Mundus universe. So, just the good old dual universe of divinity and non-linear time. But I guess there is room for argument when it comes to the Ascension Auriel modeled for his people.


I don't think that the above is the same as the below:

I misunderstood what happened with the Dwemer becoming the skin of Numidium, but it doesn't change that the Thalmor's "ascencion" is bad news for Man.

Perhaps I should have used "undoing MANs Creation". I get that the Thalmor/Mer in general are trying to ascend to god-hood (to oversimplify), but if they did, for men at least, it would be the end of the world. I get that destroying creation isn't there goal, but I don't think the Dwemer intended to be Numidium(sp?)'s golden skin either. With great power, comes great screw-ups.