Falling to their deaths... : IV

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:20 am

So, at last, I'm finally working on my load list for my "final" run. Been installing and testing, and I've run into a tragically comical situation.

The unique landscape redesign in front of the entrance to the imperial city has been logically redone with a criss crossing path, bordered by boulders. Unfortunately, the citizens do not seem to be aware of the change, and procede to walk straight towards the bridge, off a boulder and plummet to their deaths.

Granted it's horrifying, and sort of funny in a dark way, plus I can always swing by every so often and loot whoever was a fool, but the other problem is that people trying to go back to the main gate get stuck running into a boulder.

I can't believe I'm the first to run into this.

Anyone know of a fix? Or at least, how to figure out which part was altered so I can trace it back to the original mod maker? (I'm merely assuming it's Unique Landscapes)

Thanks.

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:58 pm

It sounds like for some reason the path grid wasn't properly updated. Are you running any other mods that affect that general area?

» Wed May 09, 2012 3:50 am

Better Cities. I was running the fully merged version and am currently splitting them up to see if that makes a difference.

» Wed May 09, 2012 2:46 am

Now I'm getting CTDs whenever I try to load any save created after loading the save before all the new stuff was added.

And just when I thought things were going swell. I'm calling it a night for now and will revisit issues tomorrow.

» Wed May 09, 2012 4:50 am

Did you make sure to install the UL-BC compatibility patches?

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:46 pm

Did you make sure to install the UL-BC compatibility patches?

I searched for them, but couldn't find any links.

Edit: never mind. found them on planet elder scrolls. Don't know how I missed them the first time. I'll try them out tomorrow. Hopefully that will fix both the path map and CTDs.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:28 pm

All Unique Landscapes compatibility patches can be found http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13834

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:55 pm

All Unique Landscapes compatibility patches can be found http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=13834

Even better.
(I'm not a fan of Planet Elder Scrolls)

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:53 pm

I installed the patches, but I still get CTD when I try to load any saved game created after I installed a bunch of stuff. Looks like I'm going to have to wade through everything one chunk at a time. (sigh)

In case anyone wants to see what's under the hood:
Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

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» Tue May 08, 2012 7:18 pm

I had this issue when I installed on a new pc and ported a save over. But no idea why. I finally ditched the char and started over. Uninstalling the mods you added is probably your only hope to fix it.
But you shouldn't be using RAEVWD's esps with Better Cities, as this doubles the effect. I had a huge slowdown every time I looked in the direction of a city before I happened to read RAEVWD's readme for a second time.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:41 pm

saebel, yours

2D Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]

is not the latest version. Do you experience a lot of fish flopping on land? I had that, and http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1240255-relz-marts-monster-mod-37b3/page__view__findpost__p__18800771 of it, DL link is right at the beginning of the post. Thanks again to omletted who made me aware of the fix.

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67 RealisticForceHigh.esp
68 RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp

You may find 67 ForceHigh a bit excessive in combination with Duke Patrick Melee combat. I know he recommends High in the readme. But after some playtime I still changed it to the Low version in my game. Obviously also a matter of personal preference, but High is really (too) high...

And I note your 67 and 68 are not merged into the Bashed Patch? I could do it in my bashed patch. But I used CBash for bashing, maybe regular bash rebuild cannot do it, just don't know.

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And Kvatch Rebuilt got updated to version 2.1 just in the last few days, in case you have not seen it yet. DL is on Tesnexus, and version 2.1 is cleaned by the author now. So good thing to grab it.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:10 pm

I have version2.1 of KvRblt

I ditched MMM because the CTDs went away when I uninstalled it. I still have to reinstall the other stuff and see how all of that goes.