Let me ask you. Why does the Overseer write his notes down in a journal? Cause of secrecy. He also wouldn't go around saying "Exits or doors" because people would naturally go "what other door?" Kinda lets the cat out of the bag don't you think? So he wrote in his journal "main door" to say "yeah there is another door but we aren't really supposed to know about it." If anyone would know about a secret door it would be the Overseer.

The entries we found were just the lucky entries that survived. Why do we find journal entries flying around the wasteland at that farm and the NCR camps? We found what the devs wanted us to find.

As for Horowitz, why would he mention how they go out of the Vault? Its not really an important detail to him at least and I doubt the Courier would be like "wait how did you get out?"
Horowitz and the others were trapped in a section of the Vault that was blocked off from the rest of the Vault. Once we cleared the way, he would have been able to escape through the other door.

Also Chris tells us he got out of the Vault before things went to hell. I doubt the Overseer would just let him go. He was the guy that took care of the reactor and the Overseer didn't let people leave hence the riots. So its possible he left through another door. But yeah I can't rule out the Overseer just letting him go but I think its very unlikely. Again it isn't an important detail to Chris or for the Courier to ask "how did you get out?"

Yeah it would have been nice if the Devs clearly mentioned that there was a secret door, but they did leave enough clues behind for us to figure it out. I can see it being confusing. The wiki messed up the events. It says that the Boomers leaving is what caused the Vault to go to hell and end up like it is in New Vegas. This isn't the case and why I dislike the wiki.

The game was never quite clear about this part. Do all humans who are overly irradiated eventually become ghouls? On one hand, you die, not become a ghoul when your rads exceed 1000 (800? I'm not sure). And all the ghouls with dialogue seem to suggest or outright say that they've been alive since the apocalypse, which implies that it's the specifically the fallout from the nuclear apocalypse that created the ghouls. But on the other hand you have the ghoul rangers at one of the ranger stations (the one with a bomb near it).

This is interesting. Rose certainly isn't forty - she'd look closer to fifty or sixty because of her hard drinking. I don't know about the mutant theory, since the game doesn't at any point bring this up. Is it possible that Rose is actually the granddaughter of the original Cassidy? I'm not familiar with the lore of the earlier games.

There are many ghoul NCR troopers that sure weren't around during the Great War. Most people die, only the "lucky" ones become ghouls. There was that one person at the nuclear test site that tried to become a ghoul and didn't make it. The "Chris is a mutant" theory isn't much of a theory and if you read my posts I pretty much blow it out of the water. And Gabriel said it was pretty much a joke.



She is the daughter of John Cassidy. Fallout 2 was only 40 years before New Vegas. She is something like 37 years old.

Ahh yeah. I forgot about them. Never mind then.

So it did, this is why I need to go back and play these games.
I dunno, but saying there is a 2nd door in something as insecure as a journal would be follish since any resident could get their hands on it.

Yet he didn't have a problem mentioning everything else.
Radiation pumping out, guard placement, door lockdown, reactor failure.

It's badly written and has a big gap in the timeline.


I never believed that anyone would survive in that radiation filled mess.
So rescuing a trapped family, don't buy that for a minute. they'd be ghouls or dead.

Insecure and foolish? Did you read my posts? Why do people have journals? Because they are secure. Its far more secure than writing it on the Vault computers. Its also the overseer for God's sake. People aren't going to be able to just walk into his office or room and go through his personal journal.


Does anyone even read my posts? I explained that. People aren't supposed to know about the other door. So he doesn't go around saying DOORS as in more than one door. If he did other people would go "what other door?"

So in his journal he says Main Door. This is a journal, it isn't meant for others to read, yet he still tries to be secretive about and says "Main Door." He is the overseer he would know about the backdoor. Horowitz escaped through another door not the main door. Chris wouldn't be allowed to just walk out of the main Vault door when he left the Vault in 2297. Other Vaults have backdoors and Vault 34 is mentioned to have one, there are many clues that tell us there is a main door.


It isn't poorly writen. In fact its well writen. It isn't thrown right in your face. You have to put the clues together from the different sources. I have done that. It makes alot of sense. There is no time gap. The Boomers didn't cause the vault to meltdown. That was a different event.

The Family was trapped in a section of the Vault that wasn't flooded by radiation. It is a Vault after all and Vaults are meant to survive a nuclear war and radiation. They were only trapped for about two years. A couple people with alot of food and supplies could easily survive in a section of the vault that was cut off. We don't get to see it, but for all we know they could have been trapped in the food storage area.

There is no inconsistancy. I have alot of respect for you Gabriel but there really is no inconsistancy and I think you should have a mod lock this thread.

No I did not, because I posted after you and I felt like expressing my idea - I read this one though since it was a reply to me

I do in most topics if I think it's interesting and want to see what others say, or if you post after me then I'll read it because I dislike having an unread thread on my screen

I fail to see what the issue is. The Boomers leaving, Chris leaving, and the Vault becoming irradiated (with the Vault 34 survivors in there) could have all occurred at very different times. The Vault was heavily over stocked with weapons and overpopulated, which could have brought multiple fights and breakouts. Although Vault 34 becoming irradiated could only be recent, because the survivors in Vault 34 are still alive, so that would have only been in the last couple years.

I hate when that happens. When so many people post at once things don't update in time and I miss people's posts.

More interestingly, how could Chris know what a Ghoul is while he lived in the Vault and worked on the reactor?

People had already started to turn maybe?

That could be the case. Another possible reason could be that people did leave the vault and learned about Ghouls and then returned to the Vault. Another possibility is that Chris didn't think he was becoming a ghoul, simply that he was becoming a monster, he calls himself a monster. Only after he left the Vault, did he discover Ghouls and thought he was one of them.

Good support, sounds reasonable.