With the recent "what if...." topics (like what if your character had died in Goodsprings etc) here's one: what if Caesar's Legion had got to the Mojave before the NCR? Presumably Mr House would still have taken action, but would the Legion have made a treaty? Would the Legion have established towns/ communities etc so the NCR would then be seen as imperialist invaders?

I've got no opinion on this, just curious.

He'd take Vegas from House by force, he would never agree to a treaty with a man like House.

Legion would have wiped out most of the people on the Strip, a few crucifixes here, a few there and maybe some assimilation there.
Since NCR isn't in Vegas at all at the moment, Legion would happily take the likes of Primm, NoVac and Goodsprings under it's wing.
The powder gangers would be a faction because the crinimal never got jail/hard labour - they get death.
Much of the region would be exactly how it is in the South East next to CottonCove - safe and secure, free of raiders and wild animals/abominations.
The problem with the deathclaws at QJ would never have happened - they'd be inside DWCavern or where ever they came from.

Since I don't know the standing with Legion and Super Mutants I can't say for sure how Black Mountain and Jacobstown would be. But presuming Jacobstown still has Marcus as their leader, they'd be at odds with Legion and be eliminated or they'd leave. If Keene was incharge they'd likely join forces as a more powerful Frumentarii section, all Legion would need to do is control their addiction for Stealth Boys or give them a cure - but likely with Legions tolerance to chems/tech they'd be killed if they didn't overcome it themselves.

Basically all faction would be eliminated or assimilated, and all town citizens will be left alone as long as they don't oppose any Legion laws.
Oh and Nipton wouldn't all be killed, probably just the mayor, hokers and any other corrupt citizens.

Wait what?
Why exactly would Marcus be a problem?
I don't remember him openly "opposing" Legion, he doesn't like them that much but he don't show any hostility towards them.

"Since I don't know the standing with Legion and Super Mutants I can't say for sure how Black Mountain and Jacobstown would be."

But I assume he and the other super mutants aren't just going to roll over and allow Legion to take over, especially when he took over the town and named it in honour of his friend, also he'll try to protect the schitzo Nightkin within the town. From one of the dialogues he seems to oppose them, something before he mentions Legion tearing itself apart after Caesar

He doesn't agree with Legion's ideology and don't think it's gonna work, but I don't see him openly opposing Legion or aiding the NCR in taking down Legion.
Jacobstown is a town of super mutants, as long as they behave like any ordinary humans then they will be left alone.
Marcus just needs to be more strict about the Nightkin until they're cured and their minds are fixed so that they don't go tear apart a legionnaire.

But there is no reason for Legion to attack them, nor is there any for Jacobstown to attack Legion.


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Utobitha on the other hand is [censored].


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Wait... Did Jacobstown form prior to NCR arriving or afte they arrived?
And when did Marcus leave Black Mountain?

I know that, I can't think of any real opposition they'd have to each other if they can be left to go about their business unless the Legion is against mutants - but I haven't seen anything to suggest this and since Tabitha travels East it's unlikely.

The Mutants arrived before NCR did, and Jacobstown was formed beforehand as well. Marcus left Black Mountain when Tabitha decided to seize power by having the 2nd Gen mutants side with her to oust Marcus and the other 1st Gens, all of whom left to form Jacobstowns (apart from Neil who stayed as a warning)

One thing I've noticed from being on the forums is a lot of Legion supporters wanted to see Legion communities, towns etc, not just military camps. If they were established in the Mojave, does anyone think they'd be portrayed in a more sympathetic light? They seem to be cast as the comparatively blackest of the factions, wonder whether this would have changed.

They aren't cast as the blackest, all factions were supposed to be represented as morally grey, but due to time restriction during development a huge bulk of Legion content got cut and that's why all we see if their military and because most people are ignorant they can't look past what made it to the actual game, the slaves, the no-tolerance approach and the all male soldiers and female slaves (even though males are known to also be slaves). Only the more ignorant or stuck up people see them as the blackest of factions, even as a fan of them I wouldn't say they're white and would agree that they are morally grey.
Also see http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1373908-new-legion-information-from-je-sawyer/page__view__findpost__p__20772804 on what was lost and could have been.

I've seen that topic, very interesting. Maybe the biggest change would be that people could have appreciated the Legion's qualities more.

Well definitely in a better light then townspeople on crucifixes in the town of Nipton, lol.

Mr. House wouldn't have his securitrons leave the lucky 38, he'd have the lucky 38 locked up real tight. the Legion would occupy most of the Mojave without a problem until the NCR comes, both would start fighting until Mr. House has his securitrons attack the back of the legion, legion would be fought to the east of the dam and House would recruit the three families leaving us exactly where we would of been if the NCR came first

I wonder if tho.. the legion would just burn Mr. House's building down? You also forget that they know of Mr. House. And as a previous leader of the Strip.. I am sure they just won't let him be

they could burn down the lucky 38, but House and his securitrons are in the basemant so that would achieve something between [censored] and all. Besides the legion would be a little distracted by all the tribes occupying the strip

True. I was just stating out loud if House was all the protected. It was really meant to start an arguement, per say. I also wonder.. do most of the forum go-ers assume that the strip tribes would be killed off rather than assimulated?

My thoughts-

The Chairmen, White Gloves, Omertas, Khans, Vipers, Jackals, and Scorpions would be wiped out, driven away, or integrated into the Legion.

The Boomers would fight if the Legion start getting too close.

The BoS would only fight if attacked as the Legion have no tech they'd want.

House would baracade himself up in the 38 for as long as he could.

The Fiends would be wiped out.

Jakobstown, Black Mt., and Bright Brotherhood might be left alone if they didn't cause problems.

Edit: Kings would fight and be wiped out. FotA would flee.

Probably, most of them would kill the first legion scouts and the legion would come in for revenge, some might surrender but the Kings would fight to the death