I know this topic is about West BOS vs. East BOS, but why is there few people considering the Mid-west BOS? I would think that people going for East BOS would also consider the Mid-west because they too alow locals to join depending on the end that would be cannon. I don't know which ending is cannon in Tactics but its either they have:

A- open recruiting for locals, sharing and teaching knowledge and technology. (normal ending)

B- sees non humans as valuable assets and outlaws discrimination for faster expantion and having a robot/BOS army (Bad Ending)

C- Full integration of the robots into the BOS while having open recruiting for locals and non-humans, and sharing & teaching tech. (Good Ending)

D- Having a Robot/BOS Army while enslaving non-humans and sympathizers. They turn into a rebellion who are defeated and pushed towards west BOS/NCR (Barnaky Ending)

And all endings give them access to the Vault 0 Tech but ending A is limited since the calculator to destroyed.

I know Tactics has alot of things that contradict the canon like talking deathclaws that join the BOS new armor they created (which could be created once they have vault 0 i guess) and Oil. I'm not going to disregard the vehicles if the chosen one can have a car why can't they? You can go ahead and remove them, they are still a force to be reckoned with.

So let compare shall we?

West coast does horde their tech and isolates them selves. But they aren't no pushovers. Sure they lost against the NCR in the Mojave, but the only reason the lost was the numbers. They didn't have enough supplies to outlast the on-coming waves or at least that is what i heard/read (i love sub titles) so someone correct me if i'm a wrong. If this is an indication of any battle between NCR and BOS then the BOS would have lost awhile ago and wouldn't still be in war with then at the New Vegas time line. Their tech gives them there edge no doubt about that. Sure Van Graffs have tech but i'm pretty sure BOS has more Knowledge about the tech so i would think BOS would have better quality stuff. And if you wanna talk about the Shi, well they trade with BOS, i think you know what that means.

East coast does have an open recruitment and will have the numbers to stomp on West BOS but will lose alot of soldiers in the process. Tech acquired from the Enclave will help supply some the new recruits andup grade the current BOS roster. But without the ability to manufacture new armor and weapons, they would have to use low end equipment. From what i can tell Gun Runners haven't gone as far as the east coast yet.

Mid-west looks like they would have the best of both worlds, depending on the ending that would have been cannon, but the barnaky ending is different from the rest, so i'm just going to disregard it for now. 2 of the 3 will give them robots, as well as open recruiting and sharing technology. If you choose no robots that the open recruitment to locals and tech from vault 0, which i would think is better the east-coast enclave. but if Mid-west does have robots then they might have Super Mutants ghouls and deathclaws fighting in their ranks. how bad would if be if you were pinned down by a BOS, Super Mutant and a ghoul while a deathclaw tried to flank you and get into melee range to either rip you apart or flush you out so that its squad mates could pick you off. As for the bad and Barnaky ending, you would just face off with Robots and regular BOS, but i would think that the vault 0 robots would out gun a local (east BOS) with maybe upgraded equipment if he was good enough to get those upgrades.

The only problem with talking about the Midwestern BOS is that we haven't heard about them in more than 80 years. We have no idea what their status is right now other than being in Chicago in 2277. We know the current activities of the East and West BOS, but the current activities of the Midwestern BOS are a mystery.

Wow... take off the blinders. :rolleyes:

Now let's have a more realistic list of EBoS aspects.

* Lots more numbers with real-live fire experience, not just a simulator (IE: not poorly trained)
* Casualties replaced easily by recruitment boon of being the knights in shining power armor in the wastes
* Hooray, you blew the Citadel up... which will definitely NOT be canon. It's up and standing.
* Everyone screws up while learning.
* The Pulse gun's effect on power armor is purely a gameplay mechanic. If we look at the FO3 Tesla Cannon, it has a boosted effect against robots, which the Pulse Gun has too. It is a pure oversight, Obsidian had the idea of EMPs zapping power armor when gamesas did not.
* And now that the division happened, the Outcasts are now holding the Deserter bag , and the EBOS has a pile of phat Enclave lewt and a mass water purifier.
* And they're in a far better position to swat down the raider gangs and mutie remnants (especially once Lyons decides to strike at their lair) now that the Enclave is out of the way and they have the afforementioned phat Enclave lewt.
* I'd say the zealous adherence to a self-destructive tradition is probably worse than an old man that's starting to get rather tired. At least Lyons had the nuts to press the Enclave back when he was against the wall instead of cowering in bunkers like the WBOS against the NCR.
* On the trenches: And the WBOS fared better against the NCR?
* Oh yeah, and VERTIBIRDS. EBoS has them, and an airbase to work out of. Does WBoS?

East Coast BOS would beat the West Coast BOS because of tactics and Liberty Prime

Lets see, many thing wrong with this idea, sooo:
* From what I saw when I was attacking the Mojave BOS or saw only 2 of those guys fighting in the Dam, they already have great weaponry and their training in simulation has proven to be quite effective. That say, we did not even seen the power of the West BOS can do.
* Assuming the Lyon's BOS can find many recruits and train to become part of the Lyon's Pride. Sure they are the "Knights" but they are practically becoming reduce to carrying water all over the place.
* Many issue within Fallout 3 itself really an issue of what truly happen and what not.
* About the "Tesla Cannons" issue. Idea is that it exist in New Vegas already. This is saying something if one were expect that the "Tesla Cannons" is Lyon's Pride powerful weapon but already exist on the hands of merchant back in the west. That say, Tesla Cannons is crap at it fire rate.
* Water purifier is sure something to behold. I would not be surprise if there were many attacks from many raiders or organization for all over the East Coast to get their hands on it, not to mention I bet there are a network of spies within the Lyon's Pride if they are recruit that easily.
* Well except that despise the BOS' main objective of getting tech, it does not automatically make them go close their door to everyone. This is practically Bethesda's exaggeration when making the extreme of the Outcast. I am pretty sure that before the war with NCR, they were trading with each other for supplies and I would bet they could recruit, but that in a rare case.
*If anything, the Lyon's Pride would REALLY not do so well or survive that long like the West Coast if they practically go face to face with the NCR, namely they cannot recruit anyone to replace their losts.
*Yes. They got the plan at Fallout 2 and that is how the Lyon's Pride got there by Fallout 3.


Actually no. Liberty Prime is practically out of commission and a broken robot is a useless robot until it is repaired (I am giving it a good 50 years if they can even do it with no manual and out of nothing, which I doubt so). Then there the fact that the Lyon's Pride's tactic revolve around using the PC to do his biding. At best, they would have been in a stalemate with the Enclave without the PC's help. At worst, death.

Odds are high that the truce between WBoS & NCR are canon... Yes I know its shakey at best, but if NCR thought they may gain more land out of it they would back the WBoS 100%.


Raw recruits that have no training what so ever don't add up to much. Besides allowing a mass of people in brings in a few people with different ways of thinking. Their would be a much higher chance of betrayal from within.


I agree with you there odds are high that the Citadel is standing. It would also be easy to assume Old Man Lyon wlil croak either before the two forces meet or near enough. However daughter Lyon is still a very capable leader.


Yes, but to many screw ups, and its... game over man, game over!


I am not the brightest person in the world so I could be way wrong... However a pulse effect would be different then an electrical over charge right? As I said I am really unclear about this.


I don't know why everyone brings up the Outcasts like they would have a large part to play... The only help they would have to offer the WBoS is familiarity with the land... Odds are they would not swing anything any direction.


I think they would eventually. They took some major... major losses fighting the Enclave. Odds are they will be licking there wounds, and rebuilding long before they think about attacking anything with full force.


I agree with this also, but I do hope the WBoS boot there old leader eventually. It is also hinted at that the younger gen. BoS'ers feel they should be more open with outsiders. I have the feeling that when the 'old blood' starts dieing out WBoS will start turning into more of the EBoS. I think both BoS branches should fear the central BoS...


Yes. I don't know why they where never mentioned in FO:NV, but the WBoS can build them.

The WBoS may also have the ability to make use of a bomber... All the Boomers need is a direction to fly and the bombs will fall.
Also with the truce between NCR, and BoS odds are the BoS may be let back into Helios One. If that is the case then it would be easy for them to find out its true... use...


Also the EBoS did not build Prime they found, and repaired him.

I voted for both, but if I had to pick it would be East Coast.

The difference between EBOS and W BOS is that E BOS will have enough highly experienced troops as the W BOS + a huge mass of power armored infantry which will be better trained . The E-BOS troops where untrained because of specific reasons and problems which the Brotherhood was facing, now considering the Enclave is destroyed, there is a huge loot of Enclave tech on the BOS base and they have . So... the fact is that the E-BOS would have enough highly trained soldiers and other well trained troops because now BOS can actually afford to give training to the troops given the huge amount of supplies they are getting and the survivors of the Entire war would also be Veterans..


It would not take more than 5 years to build liberty prime considering they built prime in 20 years now all they need to do reconstruct the whole thing as design phase of the entire robot is over, and add Enclave tech the the equation and you get one Bad ass Juggernaut.

E-BOS is also far more capable than W-BOS, E-BOS can build a Giant Kick ass robot in a span of 20 years (20 years to design and build a robot of that magnitude from the resources of Capital wasteland is rather impressive) while W-BOS can't even purge a computer virus.

Just to clarify something; they didn't build Prime, they found him and then took a long time to get him fully operational. I agree with the rest of your anolysis for sure though.

The East Coast BoS is also going to have a much stronger core of veterans from the wars against the Super Mutants and the Enclave, both more formidable foes than anything the West Coast BoS has faced recently. NCR is a capable foe but the fact they are winning means there aren't going to be a whole lot of BoS veterans coming out of those battles.

More i think i wonder that outcasts will have no choice but to join in with the E-BOS , there is nothing outcasts can do with an E-BOS with Enclave tech and armor, more over E-BOS could even become the major HQ for further expansion of BOS in the east. Maybe in future we will be seeing E-BOS expanding to get commonwealth tech.

Lyons pride with a repainted Hellfire power armor and Tesla cannons :flamethrower: :shocking:

E-BOS wouldn't stand a chance, though. The truce will go on, most likely. And I don't care how big and bad you think E-BOS are...They would get DESTROYED by NCR. I mean absolutely devastated. And even if it is only with Mojave/NCR; newsflash: help one chapter and that gets you a lot of aid. You earn the respect of an elder (by helping them) and you've got the entire BoS. E-BoS are rebels. W/MW-BoS are both true BoS so they'd be allied.

E-BoS would be damned to stand a chance again the robot armies of MW-BoS. Or the advanced weapons of W-BoS. And whoever said EMP's shouldn't affect power armor. You do realized EMP=Electric Magnetic Pulse. That'd electrocute whoever's inside.

Edit: This is really just a poll about FO1/FO2 vs. FO3...