Where did Jet come from?

Post » Wed May 30, 2012 10:34 pm

I suppose it's the same thing with Jet then.

Not really. With Jet there is a canon reason for it's creation and what it takes to make it. We know the guy that made it died. We don't know for sure there was a cure for Jet but I feel it is canon. Since Redding is apart of NCR and Jet isn't a big problem in New Vegas as it was in Fallout 2.

But the Jet in Fallout 3 and New Vegas isn't like the Jet it was in Fallout 2. So it's possible some people had an idea of how to make it, but weren't as smart as Myron. After all he was Myron :cool: :geek: So their version of Jet wasn't as good as the original Jet. There could also be alot of expired Jet out there. So in time it could have found it's way to DC.

But weapons, that is purely up to the devs and what they want in their games. So it's harder to come up with explanations, because I doubt the devs of Fallout 3 put much thought at all in the weapons.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 4:46 am

Just a few things I'm wondering about, if Jet made it all the way to the east coast, how come most weapons from the west didn't?
Think about it, how many Fallout 1/2 weapons are there in comparison to Fallout 3 weapons?

I don't want to discuss the weapon lore or anything but I'm just making a point with this.
Jet, something exclusively made and dealt by Reno, makes it's way across an entire continent, yet not a single Wattz weapon turn up? Despite Wattz being made pre-war and should be, well, everywhere.
(And don't get me wrong I still found it pretty [censored] of Obsidian to not include any Wattz weapons too, I'm not biased.)

So okay, say a brotherhood member was like a super spy and managed to hide his addiction and continue to create more Jet during several months, if not years, that it took to cross the continent. Then why is there barely any west-coast weapons? They didn't bring any or what?

Fine, some random trader managed to magically cross the hostile wasteland just so he could go into a complete hell hole, yet he didn't bring a supply of west-coast weapons?

Okay, The Enclave produced new weapons to use, yet they didn't produce any chems for their soldiers to get an upper edge? And not a single Enclave soldier had an emotional attachement to his Wattz 200?

Yknow, just saying.

For the last time, we are not saying 1 guy made the whole trip!! We are saying it spreads, guy learns, travels LITTLE bit, new guy learns it from that guy and travels LITTLE bit, etc. etc. until it reaches the Capitol Wasteland.

Drugs probably sell more then weapons, even in the real world that's pretty true. They found evidence the ancient Egyptians used drugs that could only be grown several thousand miles away, and you don't have to be an obvious addict. The Sheriff in Redding had a secret stach of jet in his desk and he seemed to be the most clean person in the wastes!
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 11:15 pm

For the last time, we are not saying 1 guy made the whole trip!! We are saying it spreads, guy learns, travels LITTLE bit, new guy learns it from that guy and travels LITTLE bit, etc. etc. until it reaches the Capitol Wasteland.
And I think that 40 years is too short a time for it to spread that far.
Especially considering Caesar's no-drugs policy and his nation being in between the Core Region and the east.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 6:00 am

And I think that 40 years is too short a time for it to spread that far.
Especially considering Caesar's no-drugs policy and his nation being in between the Core Region and the east.

But how did the Brotherhood of Steel make it though Legion lands? How did that ex-Enclave get through it and the Enclave for that matter? We simply don't know how but they did. It's very possible they went around Legion lands.

If people knew they couldn't get though Legion lands with drugs, they would simply take the long way around. If it's worth it, they would. You can go North or South and then move East to completely go around it. If it's really worth it, people would risk going though it.

There is also the possability people with the knowlegde to make it went through Legion lands only to make the Jet after they safely made it though.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 8:21 pm

1. But how did the Brotherhood of Steel make it though Legion lands? How did that ex-Enclave get through it and the Enclave for that matter? We simply don't know how but they did. It's very possible they went around Legion lands.

2. If people knew they couldn't get though Legion lands with drugs, they would simply take the long way around. If it's worth it, they would. You can go North or South and then move East to completely go around it. If it's really worth it, people would risk going though it.

3. There is also the possability people with the knowlegde to make it went through Legion lands only to make the Jet after they safely made it though.
1. Power Armor + Energy Weapons vs A newly formed Legion, I wonder who would win. Caesar states they can take care of BOS but that it takes a lot of soldiers doing so, and the Remnants in Vegas cut through Legion like butter in the Sahara. So a newly formed Legion? I think that Lyons Brotherhood and Enclave had no problems crossing that.

2. Then what was worth it? That's something I didn't understand any of them with. Was it really worth it for Harold to travel east? Was it really worth it for the ex-enclave dude to travel east? Was it really worth it for the Brotherhood to send that boy east? Was it really worth it for the Enclave to go to Raven Rock if they already had a Crawler? Was it really worth it for the BOS to go east considering the only piece of really good tech they found was Optimus Prime.

It's not just Jet with this, it's a nitpick I have for everyone who went from west to east, why bother? My only speculation on it is that pre-war the government built a machine which would magnetically draw idiots there. A complete idiot would get a compulsion to go there for no other reason than instict. Maybe that's why we have a settlement built around a nuclear warhead? :laugh:

3. Now there is a good idea, that could definitely work. But, how does a person with that knowledge know what is beyond Legion? Why not just go south to Mexico or north to Canada? Seems unnecessary to trek across the entire continent just to be in charge of the Jet-business there. Just going north or south enough would do and one could establish a drug-empire, without having to trek across a continent.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 5:35 pm

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1. Good points but as you put it "newly formed Legion" in refrence to the BoS and Enclave moving east when the Legion was new and not a threat. But that could have been when Jet made it though Legion lands as well. When the Legion was new and couldn't do much to stop drugs from moving though. After all they couldn't stop the BoS and Enclave.

2. Well I don't know why Harold went East, I wish he wasn't in the game. Still we know why the BoS and Enclave went East. As for the guys with drugs going east. It's very simple. They are looking for new markets. With NCR becoming civilized and a possible cure out there for Jet, those making it and selling need fresh markets. So it's worth going East to find new markets.

3. Again it's to find new markets. Maybe people learned that there is something beyond the Legion. Maybe they just wanted to get away from NCR and went East. Found out the Legion isn't crazy about drug dealers so they kept on going east.
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 10:33 pm

1. Good points but as you put it "newly formed Legion" in refrence to the BoS and Enclave moving east when the Legion was new and not a threat. But that could have been when Jet made it though Legion lands as well. When the Legion was new and couldn't do much to stop drugs from moving though. After all they couldn't stop the BoS and Enclave.

2. Well don't know why Harold went East, I wish he wasn't in the game. Still we know why the BoS and Enclave went East. As for the guys with drugs going east. It's very simple. They are looking for new markets. With NCR becoming civilized and a possible cure out there for Jet, those making it and selling need fresh markets. So it's worth going East to find new markets.

3. Again it's to find new markets. Maybe people learned that there is something beyond the Legion. Maybe they just wanted to get away from NCR and went East. Found out the Legion isn't crazy about drug dealers so they kept on going east.
1. Touché. I'd think it was cause Legion hadn't amassed lands though, not cause of their lack of strength, cause that they had, just not the numbers.

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3. But... North? South? Those ways means no Legion and you don't need to walk that far.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 2:29 am

1. Touché. I'd think it was cause Legion hadn't amassed lands though, not cause of their lack of strength, cause that they had, just not the numbers.

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3. But... North? South? Those ways means no Legion and you don't need to walk that far.

1. That could be the case that they were strong but didn't control all of Arizona, but that would have been a great time for Jet to have passed though. I think we both agree on that.

3. Going North or South and then East around Arizona would be the longer route around Legion territory but it would have been alot safer.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 6:07 am

1. That could be the case that they were strong but didn't control all of Arizona, but that would have been a great time for Jet to have passed though. I think we both agree on that.

3. Going North or South and then East around Arizona would be the longer route around Legion territory but it would have been alot safer.
3. But what I mean is you don't need to go east at all to secure a dominant position in a Jet-drug-market, just go south into Mexico or north into Canada. I don't see why anyone would want to trek across an entire continent, willingly through Legion-territory and land claimed by mutants and raiders just to set up shop in a place that is a complete hell hole.
At least if you go south into Mexico and things go bad you can just trek back to California, same with Canada.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 7:36 am

3. But what I mean is you don't need to go east at all to secure a dominant position in a Jet-drug-market, just go south into Mexico or north into Canada. I don't see why anyone would want to trek across an entire continent, willingly through Legion-territory and land claimed by mutants and raiders just to set up shop in a place that is a complete hell hole.
At least if you go south into Mexico and things go bad you can just trek back to California, same with Canada.

But it's possible those markets are hostile or have already been taken.

Like I said it's possible the people with Jet and the knowledge to make it followed the Brotherhood to DC or came with them. The Brotherhood were sending people back and forth to DC for sometime. So people wanting to find new Jet markets would follow them. All it takes is one person to have some idea of how to make it or had a bunch on them to make into the DC area.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 5:03 am

jet is drugged up cow farts? gross
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Post » Wed May 30, 2012 10:16 pm

jet is drugged up cow farts? gross
If they ever bring back item descriptions then I want that to be used for Jet. :laugh:
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 6:31 am

I wish they'd have hallucinogens, drugs I can take during my adventures in the wasteland with a captivating view of things while on missions or whatever.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 8:01 am

Maybe that's what that guy was on the other day when he decided to eat that dude's face. Seems like sort of a wasteland thing to do.
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