Does anyone know what faction does the most "good" or gives you the Most XP i have already done, Mr. House, NCR, and Yes Man. but never the legion should i give it a try and will there be any draw backs from joing the Legion besides other factions wont like you. Also is their any "legion Power Armor"?

Misleading thread title but whatever.
I have no idea what faction gives the most exp, I don't keep count on it.
But Legion has fewer quests than NCR, and if you kill NCR and get vilified you are locked out of more quests than you earn.
Still, it's worth giving a try.

Joining Legion gives you access to unlimited free stealthboys, a centurion armor in their safehouse (which is the Legion's strongest armor, not a PA though) you get some unique weapons from them and from killing NCR, you can fight in the arena if you are male and you get free Legion gold from their dropboxes which refill every couple of days.

The drawbacks are the loss of quests really.
Camp McCarran, Camp Gold, Camp Forlorn Hope et cetera.
Other than that I can't think of many drawbacks.
As long as you don't kill Van Graffs or anything you can still use most vendors in the wasteland.

Oh and Arcade, Boone and Veronica will likely leave you at some point.
Arcade can be sold into slavery though.
And Veronica can be served to White Glove Society during that quest for the Legion.

If you have Lonesome Road and nuke the Legion in the end, you get access to Dry Wells, where you can loot the Armor of the 87th Tribe off Gaius Magnus. It's not actually power armor but it has about the same amount of DT and comparable item HP.

Power Armor:


The ultimate deciding factor in which faction is morally correct.

yes, yes indeed

So, Legion are far from good.

NCR is supposed to the most good but their goals is still kinda selfish since they want more power to themselves but as long as they protect those who depend on them who am i to argue.

as far as doing the most good overall you cant go wrong with house or NCR (probably house over NCR as the NCR is sort of spreading themselves thin and won't be able to keep up the standard of living, house is to smart for that) but if it's good intentions you're looking for you really should be looking at house or legion (house, while he is too insensitive to see the smaller picture is always striving to have a more perfect mankind in the bigger picture, an pretty good goal and the legions intentions are almost totally pure, it's their methods that are highly questionable).

Some in the Legion have good intentions, but realistically not many of them except Caesar himself actually believe that what he is doing is the right thing. Most follow him based on his personality. Legate Lanius, for instance.

XP should not be a factor in who you choose. There is more than enough XP out there. Even with mods that lower the amount of xp you get.

The Legion gives you more rewards but with a smaller amount of quests. Free stealth boys, lucky shades, and infinite coins are great rewards.

Not really, I kept Veronica on all my playthroughs and she never left once - she'll only leave if you are villified by Brotherhood or she sees you openly killing them (both are easily avoidable using Sneak Kills)
Arcade only left me when I appeared at the Legates Camp ready to do the final battle.
Boone's a [censored] anyway.

NCR are more selfish than even the Legion, and they need to be beaten at Hoover Dam to be shown the error of their ways while Vegas is in the hands of a man who wants to use it for good.

Mr. House.

I can get behind the assertion that the NCR is selfish, but more selfish than the Legion? I don't buy it. No matter how effective they actually are in the Mojave, they're at least paying lip service to the greater good, and many of the rank-and-file do sincerely believe that they're helping the Mojave (patronizing as it may be). I don't see that being the case for the average legionary, and Caesar wants Vegas to realise his ambition of a great empire, not out of concern for the wellbeing of the residents.

I don't think Caesar's Legion's drive is selfish, I just think that they are slaves to one man's will, and one will alone. They fight for the sake of fighting in the Legion. Caesar himself is more selfish than Kimball, but the Legion itself just follows Caesar's command.

NCR is there for the wealth of Vegas and it's resources, Legion is there as part Caesars idea of uniting everyone under his banner to solve conflict.

Look at it this way; NCR taxes everyone wherever they go and minimal effort into actually being helpful, Legion has no need for taxes and clears the land on all hostile creature and is largely helpful to those willing to follow their rule.

Right?
That's the same anywhere.

ok NCR are probably those that SEEM to have the best karma but they dont, but they have the most quests, a reliable army at your side, chance to ally with most side factions and a radio where u can get infinite caps and buddies

The "NCR taxes" argument really confuses me. Do people actually think that Caesar's Legion won't tax communities under their rule? That House doesn't tax the Strip? All the amenities we take for granted that are essential to civilization - safe usable roads, properly working utilities, bureaucratic institutions, they all need money to continue to exist, unless you draft people into doing it without compensation, which is horribly inefficient - no incentive to work hard or smart. (You could also say that this would constitute another form of taxation, except of labor instead of money.)

Not out of altruistic motives, but for personal glory, unless I misread Caesar's character. He doesn't give a crap about the wellbeing of the Mojave's citizens except insofar as it affects his great empire.

Minimal effort? No. They are overstretched in the Mojave because the very belligerent Legion is right across the river, not for lack of trying. The 'frontier zone' argument works both ways - if you're going to argue that the Legion is not actually so bad because what we see of the Legion is just their military vanguard (a fair argument), then you'd also have to concede that a lot of the NCR's failings in the Mojave is due to the stresses of administrating a war zone. You don't look at the US Army's methods in Vietnam and Afganistan, for instance, and conclude that the civilian US is similarly f-'d up at home.

As for the taxes it has been stated by both (maybe just one) Cass and/or Dale Barton that Legion has no need/near to need for taxes as it doesn't focus on money for its power but the poeple themselve (something along those lines) and that's why trading and selling to the Legion is far more profitable.

Fair enough but in any case, we both agree that even if the Legion doesn't tax its residents, it seems to demand labor from them. It still amounts to them demanding something valuable from the people it governs in exchange for protection, so calling out the NCR for its high taxes is hypocritical.

As much as Legion does want something in return, soldiers, farmers, doctors that is to be expected of any civilisation that is trying to strengthen and expand it's borders - but they don't want/need the peoples money. So it's not hypocritical at all to call out NCR since NCR do both, tax and draft in people to work for them, while Legion only does the latter.
Basically both factions use the peoples labor to continue but only NCR sees the need to take their money as well.

What happened to "Independence or none! no one's ever going to convince me otherwise"?


The Legion drafts in the able men to be warriors, as that is the main profession in the Legion, while men in the NCR can simply be farmers, public servants, etc (unless they cannot provide for themselves. In that case, they'd join the army). I think the Legion is more demanding in the way of drafting warriors and constantly bringing the men to war, while the NCR is more demanding in the way of motivating the populace to do more service and work to live up to the taxes. In both ways, it's beneficial and effective for their way of life. They're just different.

in the NCR you have a choice of what you want to be, in the legion you be what the legion wants you to be, so no, it's not the same thing, the NCR take your money because it costs a lot to maintain a (relatively) free society, the legion doesn't need taxes because they don't need to pay for anything within their borders, they just take it, if they need more food they can just get more farmers, they don't need to pay them or establish incentives, they just make them do it.

so yes, in a way it is hypocritical to call out the NCR on taxes but not call out the legion on their forced lifestyle (which is effectively a tax paid in labour and work).