Oasis was the crux of DC. I understand the BoS and the Enclave have the gunz yo, but come on - to many people have told this story already. It didn't help that either faction were stiffs, character-wise. Now, Oasis might have supported some good storytelling. Developing and finally closing the FEV story-arch, should have been priority; instead, FEV is . Meanwhile, the raddest organism in DC gets treated to a minor quest, and maybe a blurb in the credits. He's post-apocalypse Jesus, for crying-out-loud: their Dionysus, Tree of Life, mountain to Olympian ascension! (Great Deku Tree)


Harold - had his roots spread through the wastes - was capable of hosting organisms. Not just re-growing the flora, mind you, but actually indwelling in the beings of DC, propelling them to god-like awareness: Fellow Fathers of the Promised Land. The Master evolved to higher planes of existence, manipulating fellow mutants through psyonic suggestion. One who takes the fruit and sap of Harold ought likewise share a psyonic connection.

I guess I'm sad the FEV svcks.

Your thoughts?

A game that I can only allude to may have an alternative ending for Harold.

Oasis and Harold in general, especially when combined with the Purifier Story, suggested to me that the Capital Wasteland was bound to become a veritable garden in a few decades.

Well, depending on what you did with Harold, I suppose. For me, that quest was a bit of a no brainer. The Needs of all the Wasteland compared to one single individual...I opted to make Harold grow faster. Besides, his unhappiness at being tied down in one spot was quickly becoming a non-issue anyway, since his senses were spreading through his forest to the point he was becoming the forest.

I'm assuming he lives and spreads. Since either of the three outcomes are potentially canon, I'm beginning the discussion on that assumption.

I hate what happened to Harold. I really do. I wish he was the way he was going to be in Van Buren.

Harold fulfilled his mutie-ghoul destiny and became a living GECK, whereas his Vault-mate Richard Grey/Moreaux/The Master became an anti-geck that ate people for their intellects and created a form of FEV that sterilized all it mutated.

The master did not make any FEV he simply used the FEV that He, Harold and the others came across at the Mariposa Military Base. There was never any destiny thing about being a living GECK.

I could be wrong, of course, but I remember something stated by Harold or about Harold. In which he apparently is becoming less involved, mentally, in what's left of his body, and in which "Bob" is taking over. If he continues to live, and I'm recalling my Fallout 3 experiences correctly, he should in all technicality eventually "die" in the fact that he won't be there.

I'm guessing, though obviously not positive, that Harold is probably still alive in the cannon of Fallout lore. I just figure the developers would take advantage of the potential for the whole forest thing.

I think the Church of Harold gets it. They affectionately know him as the Harold ... and I suppose the FEV story-arch will be closed, if FO is finished. (Just found the sight yesterday.)

The Church doesn't see him as a lofty, primordial god (the Treeminders didn't get it), but an intimate god (advlterer of the unadvlterated...) living and furthering life to new awareness (seer of the unseen).

TES has similar issues in the lore - where some developers have vision and "get" what the series is supposed to do differently, while some don't (I don't wonder if a majority care little, either way) - so a failure to communicate sets the series back. /diatribe



The point he's a live GECK is what matters. He effectively is. Destiny is a concept we don't have the years to discuss.

Of course Harold didnt' ask to become a living GECK dominated by Bob the Tree, but he embraced it as his destiny in the diplomatic ending in FO3. That's what I meant.