Clear words translate easily. Simple sentences and short words do not insult smart people. Plain talk can excuse bad spelling. Good writing is enjoyed and welcome. Good writing is rewriting.

Mr. Penney speaks the truth, and he should know, as he authored the most over-the-top awesome, kick-donkey adventure mod on Fallout3nexus, Return to Shady Sands. Play it now, if you haven't already.

No, don't. Wait for version 1.6 which fixes two things and yet remains fatally flawed.

Hey hey I'm a teen myself and I've never downloaded/used that mod!

Ahh, but what if the mod with the dubious grammar had better quality items and no bugs hmmm? Plus you can still understand it, and know what and where they are to be found. But you wouldn't know it because of a crappy description that puts you off.

That could very well be, but let me tell you, I haven't seen it happen. I have trawled through most of the muck on Fallout3nexus, and there wasn't one with a crappy description that wasn't also a crappy mod. I haven't seen any outstandingly good mods with "better quality items and no bugs" with a description that went: "dl this mod if u want sum great loot i made rememb to leave feed back thx i rly appresiate it lol"

It is my experience that people who write like that generally lack any appreciable skills in other departments as well.

Ah, c'mon... fatally?

Care to share what you'll be fixing?

So basically you are saying that the mass market cannot control it's sixual urges enough to play a computer game without injecting gratuitous, graphic six into it. I have urges like every other "of age" male out there, but there is a time and place for it. I do not think about ways of being able to add pormography to every aspect of my life. It's pathetic and sad in my opinion. Same goes for those Manga/Hentai/bestiality mods I see on the nexus. My only response to those mods is usually just "really??!" As in... "Really? This is where we are as a society?"

I'm more interested in the fatal flaw that is not being fixed

This will end badly. Considering FO3Edit and the GECK are both readily available to anyone and that it's exceedingly easy to edit text yourself and/or politely inform the author, I really think it's best for mod authors to primarily focus on the technical aspects of their work. Grammar is secondary. I shudder to think of talented authors being disheartened by this thread and attitudes which support its overtly inflammatory ...thesis. Slack is not yours to give or revoke.

If the mod author sounds like he's got the english language skills of a 5th grader, it's hard to take him or his mod seriously.

Someone who's a little retarded with spelling is one thing, but yeah. A mod description that looks like an idiot wrote it is sorta telling me to hit back on my browser and look for something better.

I'm not saying anything at all.

But the download figures from Nexus for the smut... now that says alot about the motivations of Fallout 3 players.

We could get into a rife discussion about why, but there would be no point nor gain to it - it's just the nature of the beast?

Pretty sad at times, but then again - we spend much of our times in a post-apocalyptic simulator pretending to rob, cheat and kill everything we see.

Yet, pretty sad. :facepalm:

I have to say, I don't have high hopes for a mod if the description is riddled with typos. However, as it has been pointed out, there are mods created by users from other countries, so its granted that not all of them are going to have perfect English when translating descriptions.

Someone's skills in modding may not necessarily be relative to their grammar and spelling (although as that guy up there pointed out, all the mods on nexus with poor descriptions also svck), but it just puts me off.

Spelling and grammar aren't the only things either, the political incorrectness in some mods/prospective mod threads is ridiculous.

I know its just a game, and so its granted that a lot of users will be young teens, but I wouldn't make a quest mod about.. say, North Korea's Juche since I myself know nothing about it. Nor would I make a mod about it after a quick jaunt to wikipedia.

If someone wants to add advlt content into their game I wouldn't really care, since I wouldn't be downloading it, but I think the majority of modders are creative people who want to put their work out there for others to see. Those few who want to combine gaming and their weird sixual fantasies just need to get outside more.

Wow!

What a great conversation!

I am glad to have ruffled a few feathers and let everyone vent a little bit. I find it highly amusing that no one is posting on this thread defending their right to type like a dufus. A right which I fully defend, by the way - but do not endorse.

One note of clarification: I have A LOT of respect for all of the modders and posters from non-english speaking countries who make such a great effort to share their work and opinions with the English speaking world. Thank you. The same goes for anyone who has a difficulty with language but makes the effort to get their point across in a coherent way. This post was meant to be a humorous poke in the ribs, and hopefully a wake-up call, to the people who write 'that way'. It is also meant as a way for me to commiserate with anyone else who still likes to hold on to and cherish the rapidly deteriorating English language!

Concerning 'immature' mature content: I do find it sad that about 50% of the mods available for FO3 are juvenile at best, but that still leaves a lot of great content to be enjoyed out there. On the other hand, I do reserve the right to enjoy advlt material at my leisure. Even whilst wearing my Leisure Suit, I might add

I would also like to state that it is beyond awesome that anyone can make a mod about anything they want. That is, really, the coolest thing about this whole damn game that we're all talking about.

LONG LIVE MODDING!!!

- EBOB

Hehehe. Your reading comprehension seems to quite low. I was aiming my post at native English speaking people who actually are fully, completely capable of stringing together fluid sentences. Next time, read the material properly. I'll admit, I am an a** at times, in real life, but really. Read my whole post thoroughly, and 'read between the lines'. This whole topic is moreso directed at those lazy English speakers who couldn't care less about spelling and grammar. Not toward people who, like you, actually try. I was taught, or forced, to use proper English. It's required for getting a job, getting into advanced education, and most importantly to me, in writing prose. Your mods are great, they are! But that guy who could write properly, but doesn't? I doubt they are skilled at modding. Both modding and English require effort, and someone who doesn't put effort into one will most likely not put effort into the other. People like you and I, however, do.

So the next time you lash out at someone or something without truly comprehending them, you will only aggravate the problem.



Hey there! It's quite wrong to group a whole medium in with two very specific genres! I realise what you mean there, but that's like me saying "I don't like TV/Reality Shows/Soap Operas". It doesn't compute! It is absolutely impossible to do that. Disliking a genre is one thing, that's logical. Not liking a whole medium, due to overblown stereotypes? That's just stupid. I'm not a super fan of anime or manga, and I couldn't care less about Japan. But condemning a medium just as equal to contain masterpieces of storytelling as movies or books, just doesn't work. Yes, I do like anime and manga. I have multiple levels of a shelf dedicated to the stuff. Just please, don't criticize mediums due to the minority. I realize that most is indeed terrible, but that goes for everything. There are far more trashy romance novels and poorly written fantasy sagas than eye-opening pieces of creative mastery. Yeah, my mod is an anime related mod, but is it full of tentacle porm and huge boobs? Hell no! There are quite a few diamonds in the rough, if you look for them. And I have found several. Remember: Only you can stop anime discrimination. Please.

If someone who does speak English as their main language, and the spelling/grammar is bad in the readme, then I would hesitate in downloading the mod. The readme is what tells me whether I should download the mod or not. The quality of a readme tells us a lot about it's maker, and about the mod, sometimes.

However, if English is not their first language then it doesn't matter as long as I know that they don't speak it. I have found most the mods I like the most to have been made by people with a primary language other than English.

Sorry, I am pretty unfamiliar with how those 3 things relate to each other. Sorry, if i've got them wrong. I know Anime, and i've heard of Hentai, and manga. So Manga and Hentai, are sub-genres of Anime?

This pole is biased against the fact that its assuming that because a person isnt an English major or a native speaker that they cant program. I know programmers who cant spell for s*** that could code circles around most of the scripters around here. Of course, theres not much xcuse 4 usin engrish in ur descrip... but hey thats peoples prerogative. I personally like spell check myself, really helps the fact that i cant spell. That IS what its there for, right? Though what about mods made by people who didnt speak English as a native. I cant think of a language that will translate clean, and spellcheckers dont help with grammar.


Anyways, i'm more lenient then the answers provide, but the top one of every box seemed about right. Personally, if a mod sounds good, and the description actually delivers its message, i try it. Usually you can tell if a mod blows if the description svcks. I've got a few mods for oblivion that have l33t sp33k in the read me that are great mods.

~00x

I've seen and tried out several mods in Oblivion that were expertly and beautifully produced by somebody who didn't speak a word of English. The native speaker was Japanese, or Russian, or German, and the mod description was awful, no offense intended, because they just could not get the right words. The readmes for such mods are often just as unintelligible, if they have any content to them at all. They shouldn't be releasing their mods to an English-speaking community despite the high demand FOR their mods? You can't actually tell if a modder is making a halfhearted attempt at translating or actually putting his very limited English vocabulary to as much use as he can to give a quick and hopefully intelligible description of what that mod does. There's a difference between "I don't speak English but I wanted to share my mod with you because I've had several requests for it" and "hey guys i made this mod try it out i dont uploda screenshots or readmes tho."

You're coming off like you've got a problem with people who just don't speak English and insist on releasing their content on, say, Tesnexus anyway. I'm sure you're not that pompous but that's likely the impression you're giving others as well.

Encouraging venting sounds awfully like inspiring a flame war about grammar and spelling. Especially when your poll is quite heavily biased against people who use internet shorthand, or people who may or may not know English (as modders come from all walks of life and all languages as well).


Let's not do that again, please.

I'm going to close this thread for exactly that reason.

If you want to play grammar cop, you can do it on your own time, but we have none of that on these forums. Coming the grammar cop, making fun of others' English, or encouraging others to do the same, with forum members and mod makers will get you suspended.