Honest Hearts as a Legion supporter

Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:48 am

Since it's not possible to support the White Legs, I was wondering what a Legion supporter should do - should I just assassinate Joshua? Should I get the other tribals to leave so that the Legion-leaning White Legs control Zion? Or should I wipe out the White Legs?

To clarify I'm not playing a psychopath, but a man who wants to protect the innocent, is disillusioned with democracy and is utterly ruthless towards lawbreakers and raiders (name of the character is Rorschach). Loot is not an issue with me, I want to do this in a way that makes sense from a roleplaying standpoint.

The last time I did a Legion playthrough, I hadn't bought the DLCs, so I'm approaching this as a Legion supporter for the first time.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:22 pm

caesar wants graham dead. i think it's safe to say the whole incident in zion is the plan to eliminate graham without letting the legion as a whole know graham is still alive. certainly other high ranking legion officers know the truth (someone has to explain why all the frumentarii aren't coming back and explain why so many are being dispatched to zion).

ulysses did not confront graham. i forget if he explains this. in fact, i pretty much forget everything ulysses said about graham. but ulysses' orders were definitely to organize the white legs to wipe out graham and his tribe.

for all intents and purposes, graham is dead to the legion. he's never going back, he does not seek revenge, he just wants to be left alone. it is caesar who needs graham dead. his ego can't handle it if graham is alive. also, caesar has no intention of assimilating the white legs into the legion. they are a tool, and when they're purpose is served, they will be thrown away.

if your character is into protecting the innocent, certainly the sorrows and dead horses are innocent? as innocent as you can get in a post apoc wasteland anyway. perhaps your character could come to an epiphany about caesar's bloodlust and spare graham?

i think what would be ideal for your character would be to eliminate the white legs, save the sorrows and dead horses, and kill graham. but that's not possible, unfortunately. unless you can kill graham while on the final mission? i've never tried.

very good question here, i'm not really sure how you should play this out. depending how free thinking your courier is, it would be equally plausible to wipe out graham and co. as it would be to help them evacuate.

end note: my one major criticism with HH is you can't join the white legs. otherwise i think it is a very good dlc. emphasis on dlc.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:16 am

kill everyone, it's the only 100% pro legion way.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:36 pm

That would depend on whether you were loyal to the Legion or to Caesar.

If you were blindly loyal to Caesar, like Lanius, the only true course of action would be to kill Graham and anybody else who gets in your way. Dead Horses, Sorrows, Daniel, White Legs, it doesn't matter.

If you were loyal to the Legion and it's ideologies, that's different. You'd have to make up your own mind. Is Zion that important? Does the Legion really need a bunch of uncivilized tribals bloating their ranks? Will the White Legs hinder the army or be useful, disposable shock troopers? Do you care about Caesars will enough to kill Graham, even though he shows little to no interest in directly opposing the Legion?

A blindly loyal Legionnaire would undoubtedly seek to eliminate Graham and nothing else, but somebody who actually believes in the "cause" of the Legion would probably make up their own mind.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:31 am

I usually play along with him until you initially meet Daniel, since you need the map.
The game DOES actually provide a dialog option for you to demand the location of the map from Daniel until he goes hostile, then you have to kill him. As you leave the Sorrows' canyon, Joshua will be walking towards you, which is a pretty fun fight scenario (very difficult too).
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:25 pm

Well, at the end of HH, the White Legs try to join the Legion and are refused. That would make them unworthy to control Zion valley, so I would wipe them out because when the Legion marches on Zion, the Sorrows and Dead Horses will be easier to put down due to their passive nature. The White Legs simply pose a bigger threat than the other tribes, especially since they were rejected. They might look for retribution by staging small scale attacks on Legion raiding parties. The "Burned Man" Joshua Graham is a priority target if you are truly loyal to Caesar and to the Legion. He must be eliminated. I would kill Daniel as well. I'm sure he would oppose the Legion regime. That's the Legion formula. Assimilate all who are worthy. Eliminate all who oppose Caesar's will.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:30 pm

Good points all, guys. So it's either kill Joshua, or spare him, but help the Sorrows and Dead Horses evacuate Zion (since wiping out the White Legs makes Joshua become war-like again). I was leaning towards the latter anyway, since I wiped out the White Legs the first time around, just wasn't sure if it'd be consistent with the Legion mindset. I'm not at the end yet so I can delay the choice a little longer.

It's such a damn shame that it isn't possible to join the White Legs.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:13 am

just wanna say that no legionery really believes in the legions goal, they are all slaves made fight. they pretty much are all blind but some of them are selfish like the centurion in mcarran. i doubt anyone actually would willingly join the legion if this was real life.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:30 pm

just wanna say that no legionery really believes in the legions goal, they are all slaves made fight. they pretty much are all blind but some of them are selfish like the centurion in mcarran. i doubt anyone actually would willingly join the legion if this was real life.

I'd beg to differ.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:33 pm

just wanna say that no legionery really believes in the legions goal, they are all slaves made fight. they pretty much are all blind but some of them are selfish like the centurion in mcarran. i doubt anyone actually would willingly join the legion if this was real life.
Come on, man. Don't do this. I'm an NCR man by default, but I'm still having lots of fun roleplaying a Legion supporter. Don't turn this into a NCR vs Legion thread.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:11 pm

Come on, man. Don't do this. I'm an NCR man by default, but I'm still having lots of fun roleplaying a Legion supporter. Don't turn this into a NCR vs Legion thread.
im not turning it into a NCR vs Legion im not even an NCR supporter for [censored]z sake, im just saying that the Legion army isnt exactly promoting freedom. i didnt even mention the [censored] NCR for crying out loud dont assume im trying to start saying that they are perfect.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:23 am

Yeah, but you've been around long enough to know that any NCR or Legion discussion tends to spiral into an NCR vs Legion debate. I'm just saying, don't bait an argument when it's not really relevant to the discussion.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:32 am

Yeah, but you've been around long enough to know that any NCR or Legion discussion tends to spiral into an NCR vs Legion debate. I'm just saying, don't bait an argument when it's not really relevant to the discussion.
dude if it turns into a NCR vs Legion ill stay the [censored] out, but i say what i believe and dont care if u are worried your [censored] turns into a faction debate, cause its not my fault. i was just pointing out the fact that in real life people wouldnt simply join the Legion army, to disprove something some other dudez were saying.
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