Okay, I installed GECK 1.5, enjoyed it's mildly less crashiness for a bit, and now I want rid of it. The Vista dialogue bug has reared it's ugly head and stopped me from doing, well, anything now as finishing the quest dialogue and putting in the voices was the last bit. I uninstalled it, grabbed what I thought was 1.1 from F3N (which SHOULD BE the 1.1, the file is old enough) and after a reinstalled. Crashes on dialogue. Check About tab, it's still 1.5.

Rage ensues. Where or how is it hiding info relevant to staying 1.5, cause I'm not about to throw away all my work because the program decided it hates me for using Vista.

[edit] RAAAAGE. Found the problem, the installer is too stupid to detect my actual installation and decided it wanted to throw it in an empty Bethesda folder in Program Files.

The easiest way to downgrade the GECK is to simply reinstall it.

Cipscis

That's what I was trying, but since my location is modified, it wasn't installing to where it belonged, and my uninstall didn't actually remove it. Fixed that, shame it didn't solve anything. I still CTD every time I ever think about touching the dialogue buttons, so currently my project was just shut down by this evil program. Great, four weeks down the toilet.

Go to the location and delete all the previous geck information...Then re-install it I guess :shrug:

It's already reinstalled. My point was it accomplished nothing. The GECK has decided my time modding is over and to go screw off, because I use Vista and for that I should be punished. Now my only option is to get a second HD to install WinXP to, and use that to run the GECK. Which if I lived in crazy land I'd go do, but I don't, that's requiring far too much of me and is a load of ****.

Dude Calm the [censored] down seriously... What I meant is VERY simple, Sure you might lose whatever geck created itself in that folder, But just find your geck folder, WHERE-EVER it may be... and simply DELETE everything...Then go back onto the web, type in http://www.google.com/ and type in G.E.C.K. and find the older version somewhere on the web and download it. Congratulations! You've been taught!

You really haven't read anything I've said. Here, I'll split the thoughts up into bite sized pieces.

1.5 uninstalled.

1.1 reinstalled.

CTD remains.

My vision now destroyed due to completely random bug.

My days of modding officially over before anyone got to see my work. Now I understand why the current selection of quest content is so lackluster and non-existant, because nobody on Vista which is now the dominant OS can't effectively use it for any extented period of time. The program figures it out and flips you the bird. Yes, I'm being mean and rude right now, but you've not read a word I've said so far it seems.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



And you think the old CS was anywhere close to stable?. CS/GECK are the same crap, only renamed and rebutchered. It is unstable in every plataform, but it works.
Point is, unless you are landbuilding (which has never been stable, and yet look at oblivion mods), there is little to no reason to spend most of your time on the geck.

You organize things, write down all the little texts, record w/e audios need to be recorded, write down the scripts, and if testing, write down several versions of the script, and THEN upen the geck and add the stuff, saving every now and then. Crashes? open again, load. Modding requires patience. If you lack it, you're better off finding another hobby. No great mod is made in a single day.

try finding the first file u saved to ur computer if u havnt deleted it already
then download it
hope tht helps

also
i dint no tht there was an upgrade to the geck
does it mess up on all vista computers or just urs????

If that was supposed to be a personal reach to try to attack me It wont work, I'm just here to help man...I've read everything you've said, and I tried to be simple about explaining what to do, But your ass seems to not read [censored] about what I said. If not TRY TO EDIT THROUGH F3EDIT!! Sorry If I flamed back but I'm just trying to help here...

I never said dominant was good, just the most used now. Which it is, sadly.

And the instability while working I dealt with. The sudden and completely random induction of a bug entirely crippling it's use is absurd. I literally hadn't done anything to it, I had used it last night to finish up assembling the final dungeon. I had used it for dialogue no more than 3 days ago. And now, with out any provocation, it has gone to CTD land to never return. I had plenty of patience, but there is no patience for something that cannot be suffered through. If it weren't EVERY TIME I'd complain, but it would get finished. I'm not over exaggerating or looking for sympathy here, it's every. damn. time. There is no avoiding it, no working with it.

I fail to see how attempting to patranize me is going to accomplish anything. Also, juggalo, stop trolling.

I doubt he's trolling I think he's actually trying to help genius.. Dont blame anyone but yourself for your attitude.

dude wtf does trolling me
alls i did was tell u tht i have some info tht might help if ya dont want it dont try it and lose out then u would be a fool
and that names KlanK

Juggalo for life

Yeah, okay, I'm the one with the attitude. I was going to apology for snapping at your initially, before the high and mighty post. I don't believe I'm better than anyone else, it's why I came asking for any logic as to how to fix this retarded problem, initially under the false belief it was merely an issue with 1.5 as stated in a thread about a week ago. In fact, it is not.

Also, you obviously haven't seen his other posts.

The name is actually the first 2-4 letters of your forum name, anything else and you're getting too picky.



Ok, lets do advanced mode troubleshooting shall we?. Do a search by date of files for stuff modified roughly at the installation of 1.5. Perhaps it modified a dll. Once you find what did it touched, through google and patience, roll it back to it's former state.
If that doesn't work try messing around with the audio codecs and exceptions and crap. Something tells me it's the audio codec pack gone awry with the geck.

whats tht soposed to mean

Dude, I told you, Try to find the source of your problem by using FOEDIT, or atleast I think thats what its called, Many people have fixed their errors using it. Dont just jump my ass because you cant read my entire message.

Hmm, you think the FO3 reinstall I had to make cause of patch 1.5 might have something to do with it? Be an odd occurance, since numerous reports of this bug have been around since before 1.5's antics. I simply ran it to play BS and check it out to see how the story conflicts with what I had written. (which, thankfully, doesn't really. Like 2 lines had to be changed, which is why I found said problem) Other program wise, I updated FOSE to 1.5 complaint, but no other programs installed unless the wife did something. I'll have to ask when she's awake tommorow.
Again with the not following. *sigh* It's not a problem in my mod or any other mod. It's a problem in the GECK itself. Any file will cause the CTD. Every dialogue option in every esp/esm does it. FO3Edit is to find discrepancies that don't belong, like when esps change stuff they shouldn't touch, like when I had to track down what messed with the lvl cap and shouldn't of. This is a whole different beast, I know you want to be helpful, but seriously, please stop. Blank may be on to something, I'll follow the trail of codecs.

no blank my name is KlanK thats what everyone i know calls me in the real world

and i hav another solution if u hav tried my other or u had already deleted old version

try going to fallout main website and goto downloads and on the right side it will have
in big words G.E.C.K. on a banner click on it and it will have the older version of the geck
i just checked it out and its still the old one and it also has the update link under it

and no im not saying this sarcasticly if u are thinking tht

if it doesnt work click out of the internet and then delete ur internet history ( mainly the temporary files) and try again

<_< see what I mean. Blatant troll is blatant.

wel [censored] you too man this is the last time i help anyone

No, *sigh* (this is why i stated semi-advanced). Use the search function of windows or your file manager of choice to find what files has been modified since the last time you had a successful conv made on the geck. Your problem is most likely either:
1) a dll that got overwritten by a newer version (programs normally don't delete dlls when uninstalling, nor they downgrade dlls when installing, hence the problem staying after geck downgrade).
2) a sound driver/codec pack that either started treating the geck differently after the upgrade or stopped treating it differently after the upgrade.
3) geck/fo3 upgrade downgrading your c sumthing runtime sumthin sumthin 2005/2008 libraries.
4) Chtulhu


Also jug. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rtft before responding next time, OP clearly stated that the first thing he did was to attempt to reinstall the older geck.

He's a [censored], and jumps people's ass who actually try to help, Sure we're not the best people to provide, BUT WE SURE AS HELL TRY!
I dont think he gets that fact.

Wow. This went well, didn't it.