What exactly is "Landfall"? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:14 am

Certain events from certain histories would take precedence over the others, and it would all collapse into one line. Some events may merge, some may hit dead ends, others may take the path that they never happened, but it would have to make some logical sense through the line in order to maintain a stable reality. You could easily end up with something like Jyggalag being the supreme ruler of all existence due to never being stopped and absorbing the power of all other god figures. Note, I'm not keen to exactly what the discussion is on, as I'm not big into TES lore at the moment, Just throwing the bone as I crawl through Oblivion.

Note: I'm trying to get a feeling for the lore and get a general idea of everything.

Note 2: A far more canonically likely scenario would involve more temporal leaks between the realities that would end either in a convergence of the most stable version, or some intervention to restabilize the inherent system before they collide.

Well that makes sense. Of course it would all ultimately be up to the Godhead. It is his dream after all. Kinda makes the entire discussion, any discussion regarding TES Lore in fact, pretty much useless. As the Godhead could simply say, "Nope. That never happened. Nerevar? Pshh. Please. I don't recall that. What? You have a book on Nerevar? Oh wait... hold on a minute..."

Godhead opens up TES V construction set. Deletes all references for "The Nerevarine".

"See. Told you he didn't exist."

"Who... what are you talking about?"

"Nevermind you. Off you go."

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:50 am

Well that makes sense. Of course it would all ultimately be up to the Godhead. It is his dream after all. Kinda makes the entire discussion, any discussion regarding TES Lore in fact, pretty much useless. As the Godhead could simply say, "Nope. That never happened. Nerevar? Pshh. Please. I don't recall that. What? You have a book on Nerevar? Oh wait... hold on a minute..."

Godhead opens up TES V construction set. Deletes all references for "The Nerevarine".

"See. Told you he didn't exist."

"Who... what are you talking about?"

"Nevermind you. Off you go."

Wouldn't doing that alter his own existance and essentially unset everything involving him as well?

Sorry if my ignorance burns. I'm trying to understand how the universe works in TES. XD

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:26 am

Wouldn't doing that alter his own existance and essentially unset everything involving him as well?

Sorry if my ignorance burns. I'm trying to understand how the universe works in TES. XD

I dont think anyone really knows how it works so far. You can probably just hear very good opinions from lots of people.
As it's a mythic universe there can be many reasons to everything and nothing.

» Thu May 26, 2011 8:07 pm

Well that makes sense. Of course it would all ultimately be up to the Godhead. It is his dream after all. Kinda makes the entire discussion, any discussion regarding TES Lore in fact, pretty much useless. As the Godhead could simply say, "Nope. That never happened. Nerevar? Pshh. Please. I don't recall that. What? You have a book on Nerevar? Oh wait... hold on a minute..."

Except the Godhead doesn't know he is dreaming/halucinating. So he can't quite do that.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:15 am

Except the Godhead doesn't know he is dreaming/halucinating. So he can't quite do that.

True. But then, is there really even a godhead? The universe an illusion? That would pretty much make everything pointless right there. Why bother "existing" if nothing truly even exists?

I forsee high suicide rates among the more intelligent on Nirn in the future. Those that can figure out that everything is a LIE!!!, unless they achieve CHIM... in which case they still won't truly exist.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:04 am

True. But then, is there really even a godhead? The universe an illusion? That would pretty much make everything pointless right there. Why bother "existing" if nothing truly even exists?

I forsee high suicide rates among the more intelligent on Nirn in the future. Those that can figure out that everything is a LIE!!!, unless they achieve CHIM... in which case they still won't truly exist.

No.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:09 am

True. But then, is there really even a godhead? The universe an illusion? That would pretty much make everything pointless right there. Why bother "existing" if nothing truly even exists?

I forsee high suicide rates among the more intelligent on Nirn in the future. Those that can figure out that everything is a LIE!!!, unless they achieve CHIM... in which case they still won't truly exist.

If you found out the world was really a simulation like The Sims, only so very much more advanced, and you were just a character in a computer; would you commit suicide?

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:00 am

If you found out the world was really a simulation like The Sims, only so very much more advanced, and you were just a character in a computer; would you commit suicide?

Also, when I expressed the same misgivings to Rhedd once, he wrote that it's not so much that the Mundus is "false" or an illusion as that there are several layers of reality in the TES universe.

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:49 pm

If you found out the world was really a simulation like The Sims, only so very much more advanced, and you were just a character in a computer; would you commit suicide?

No.

I would alter my program. Software doesnt die.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:03 am

Suicide would be pointless, you'd just enter the dreamsleeve, lose all of your identity, and be spouted back into the same world you just left.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:02 am

Suicide would be pointless, you'd just enter the dreamsleeve, lose all of your identity, and be spouted back into the same world you just left.

Back to wonderful ignorance of the truth.

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:38 pm

If you found out the world was really a simulation like The Sims, only so very much more advanced, and you were just a character in a computer; would you commit suicide?

If it was PC, I'd open up the command console. If it was 360 or PS3, I'd just live with it.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:27 am

If you found out the world was really a simulation like The Sims, only so very much more advanced, and you were just a character in a computer; would you commit suicide?

I'd attempt to understand the computer, and then attempt to pass into and control the user, turning myself into the utmost divine power of all of existence... until I find out something bigger and more powerful exists.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:23 am

If it was PC, I'd open up the command console. If it was 360 or PS3, I'd just live with it.

If it was the 360, I would be unhappy. Even gaining mastery over the gameworld would not grant you higher power over 'The system', as all games run in protected memory space, and cannot access outside processes.

This is not true on the PS3--- (or the original XBOX)--- so I would be happier to be running on that console.

(Hats off to somebody who catches this obscure reference.)

In short, I'd probably become something like KiloKhan.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:47 am

If you found out the world was really a simulation like The Sims, only so very much more advanced, and you were just a character in a computer; would you commit suicide?

After taking a couple of Cosmology classes... you tend to develop this view anyway. There's a reason most astronomers are considered "cookey." But committing suicide just takes the fun away from who ever is controlling the thing, and that's no fun for anybody.