This kinda relates to another post, but this is much more general and is directed at you, fellow forum goer. If a good Tabletop (book, dice, interaction with other humans, person in charge, lots of Mountain Dew and Cheetos) would you play? Would you buy the book? Maybe even both?

Assume these features (or lack of them) existed:

Uses the SPECIAL system
Unique game system (not d20 or WW)
Job system giving a balanced system for characters from the wastes, characters who are part of factions (Brotherhood, Enclave) and everywhere between.
Lets you play in any time period of FO as well as any area. (see note below)
A huge list of balanced weapons
Most perks from the various games available
Character creation allows for many different characters
Easy to work systems to allow GO (Game Overseers) to fill in whatever part of the world they want to play.

It would not include new lore. To the contrary, it would be limited in this scope.
Information that has been made Canon would be used as examples. Rules would be included for GOs so that they can make up new areas. For example, if you wanted to create a game in FO Texas, the game would assist in this, but there would never be 'Texas is currently in this condition...'

I don't think this was mentioned in the other thread, but I wonder if you're aware of the http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_Warfare written by Chris Taylor, based on Fallout Tactics. Is was orginaly released as promotional material, and has always been free to download.

In light of projects like this, I wonder how many people would agree a product like this was worth paying money for. Fallout: Warfare was free, yet was never that popular.

I'd pay nothing... Becuase its already freely available (note its worth a lot more than zero... Thats just what its available for).

http://pnp.fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

You've gone one better it seems I never knew JES made his own rendition ^_^Lool

I'm actually more than a little offended that one of the responses is listed as "Ten finger discount (.pdf)", as if PDF-format copies of game books are only things that have been stolen.

For your information, I am the legitimate owner of several PDF gaming books - for just one example, three Shadowrun sourcebooks ... each bought from the publisher, and each priced at about two-thirds what a "Dead tree edition" copy would have cost. Another example is the first-edition copy of Exalted that the publisher, through their store (DriveThruRPG), gave away for free one week as a promotional effort. And, which prompted me to purchase a "dead tree edition" hardcopy of the second edition rulebook, for $0.

Also, I think your expectations RE: pricing are, on the whole, far off themark. That 2E Exalted book I just mentioned? The one that I paid $40 for? ~400 pages, wall to wall glossy four-color, and hardbound. Oh, and, with a big name publisher behind it (a big name in RPG circles, anyway: White Wolf).

Fallout Chris: I'm aware of both. The one game is tabletop war game; it plays like Warhammer. It's good for what it is, but without a mini series for backing, I can't imagine playing it. The PnP lacks style. It's a direct translation of the FO2 rules... which is dull when not computer assisted. The Simple I've not looked into that far... but it just doesn't seem like Fallout without SPECIAL.

Pax: I've not priced legit .pdfs. I know many people who download many books and buy ones they are impressed with or actually use. I'm hardly discouraging legit buying of .pdfs, but I've not done it myself. I buy my stuff from half-priced books. It helps when you play the 'old' edition. Yea, I'm off the mark on prices I'm sure... I haven't payed retail in ages nor have I bought current editions in ages (except GURPS, but that was so out there for the store that they gave a nice price anyway).

I'm sorry I offended you and apologize.

Edit: You made a good point and I concede. Part of always being right is knowing when you are wrong.... you heard me. I have removed the poll all together.

As I said numerous times before, Bethesda is not interested in licensing it out. Even in a form that doesn't add new lore.

Perhaps a better poll would have had the options:

• Yes, I'd buy that!
  
• I might buy it, depending on the price.
  
• If it was free, I'd check it out.
  
• No, not interested.
  
• I don't play tabletop RPGs.

:foodndrink: Has the advantage of not worrying about specific price, nor even means of delivery (dead tree -vs- PDF -vs- ???). Also allows respondants who aren't paper-and-pencil gamers a way to exclude themselves, while still responding to the poll.


Ahhh, modern dishonesty. :nono:

I seriously recommend you go look at places like http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/, which is a store run by one fo he bigger Publishers of RPG products (and no, they don't sell just their own stuff), White Wolf. That store has been around for years now, and would hardly have lasted so long if there weren't enough honest people out there, buying those PDFs for the full listed price.

Ausir: At this moment, I'm mostly curious. Perhaps I can learn something.
Pax: I thought about making the poll like that... I can't remember for the life of me why I didn't. I've heard of Drive-Thru RPG, but an electric copy is only worth dime to dollar for me- and I already don't pay retail. Still, I'm happy it exists. If I had a mini laptop I'd be more likely to buy it.

I realize there are honest people who actually buy .pdfs. I just don't know any personally. I've known some other folks online who buy them though. Being a game creator in one form or another, I hope people are paying, one way or another. Lord knows the industry needs the help.

Anywho, I figure I'll ask another question. Has anyone played one of the currently available PnP versions?

Oh, don't get me wrong - I prefer the tactile gratification of dead-tree editions, myself. I really do. However, for some things - like legally free books - PDF is the way to go, for the publisher. Plus, if I really wanted to, I have a NICE printer, and could turn those PDF copies into dead-tree copies.

I don't have a scanner, though - so PDF books have an advantage when playing online, via email or forum: I can snag a screenshot of X piece of equipment, or Y special rule, in order to share it with a GM or fellow player - almost as convenient as sitting at the same table, and justhanding the book over for a few minutes, yet still doesn't infringe terribly on the authors' copyrights.

(Did just that for a shadowrun game that didn't work out - two-thirds of my equipment list came from Arsenal, which I own in PDF form. Some screenshots, lots of cut-and-paste work, upload to my photobucket account, and VOILA ... http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c313/GMPax/Shadowrun/SR_h_pistol.jpg, submitted for game-master approval.

Makes me wish I had PDFs of all my stuff, in addition to the hardcopies.


Watermark-style DRM is wonderful, IMO. Unobtrusive to the legal-channel customer, dissuades casual piracy, and no easier to crack than the intrusive, obstructionist forms of DRM that "serious" pirates laugh at anyway.

In addition to the aforementioned S.P.E.C.I.A.L versions, http://gluttoncreeper.com/index.php?main_page=products_all&zenid=c53e60848eba200fd94d2d64e314e958was originally titled Fallout d20 until they were threatened with legal action. I haven't had a chance to look over it, but I suspect it would translate into an existing D&D (3rd or 3.5 edition) or d20 Modern game with little effort.

Urgh. Why take a beautiful game, with a beautiful classless system, and marry it with tatseless caste system like D20? Yuck.

Agreed agent c, I took a look and while they did away with class mostly, the system they put in was... bleh. It translated poorly to 3.5 unfortunately. The game I'm thinking up has classes, but they aren't that restrictive like d20 classes.

a Fallout TT sounds like an idea.. but to answer your question: nope, I wouldn't play it.
I would rather play it as pen & paper rpg. but I'm not only too old for TTs and PnPs, I'm also to lazy to read rule and/or source books just to have some fun.. and when I have the choice of playing old school TT n stuff or play a working pc game (suitable for my pc), I'll choose the pc game (even though I have to admit, pc games may cost more effort than reading a source book sometimes... :brokencomputer: )

No such thing.

I'd like something that came in a fancy box. With interlocking board pieces and figurines and a compelling ruleset. Also the box should come with friends who want to play because I'm short on those too.

Haaaaa :P I know how that feels :P Moreso, I'm short on friends who have anything remotely in common with my gaming tastes >_< There's no local outlet for it either, and well, the netbattle shop that's a few towns over seems to be the mainstay of the antisocialist, xenophobic type of geek, you walk in and all you hear is clicking and typing as they're all playing WoW or DoW online. You can practically feel the glances piercing through you >_<

Short on friends?

Bah. It could be worse. Your partner (girlfriend, boyfriend, whichever suits your gender and orientation) could be "a gamer" just like you, but ... with COMPLETELY incompatible tastes in games!

*Epic Sigh*

And yes, yes that describes me and my lady love to a "T" ...! :violin:

Mordino: I guess I should be clear. I call it Tabletop mostly because then it won't be confused with PnP. It could easily be played without a table or even pen and paper. I am (not here) running an online forum prototype, just to see how it works. So, no table, pen, paper or even local friends needed. Still, it is more complicated than a PC game.

(Except for me... I never seem to get them to work. Of course, I don't try often, I just use my consoles.)

No Orc: Man, wouldn't that be nice.

FOChris: Uhg, been there. Those places are horrid. Like I said, online would work.

Pax: My SO is a wonderful geek, gets into all the crazy stuff but hates to actually play. She's very awkward about being in role, even as simple as 'well then, I'll attack it'.