Altmer Height.

Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:29 am

Do you understand why the Altmer are taller? It is beacuse the shorter Altmer are exiled/killed/no married and thus only the tall ones pass on their tall traits. Its a common technique in dog breeding.

The Chimer were probebly once tall. However, their numbers were small and thus when a short Chimer was born, he was not exiled/killed but rather married and had children. Thus, as more short Chimer cropped up, the shorter the race as a whole became.
The Nephilim weren't actually giants. The original stories on old Hebrew texts state that the Nephilim were not physically any larger, rather that they could fly and generally had superpowers, but were still the same height as a normal human. The giant thing is is misconception stemming from King James's censorship brigade being horrible translators when they were making the king James bible.


It probably isn't a good idea to get into too big a dispute over the meaning of Nephilim, because it remains a disputed topic in modern religious scholarship. It is not true that the term is a mistranslation in the King James; at this point (though not at others), the King James is an accurate translation of the Septuagint, though the Septuagint is not itself an original or always-reliable source.

But significantly, the only other use of Nephilim is in Numbers, where in context it means the "big scary people" who inhabited Canaan.
"The land, through which we have gone, to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants; and all the people that we saw in it are men of great stature. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim); and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them."


I can't so easily exclude the Old Testament anology; Albides' contention is still well supported.
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:05 am

And Genesis, at least in the NIV...


Yes, Genesis was the first (and disputed) use. The use in Numbers, though, puts the use in Genesis in context. Whatever the Nephilim were (and serious hypotheses have run all the way from ordinary giants to extraterrestrials who came in rocket ships, no I'm not making this up), they were fearsome.
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:09 am

The Nephilim weren't actually giants. The original stories on old Hebrew texts state that the Nephilim were not physically any larger, rather that they could fly and generally had superpowers, but were still the same height as a normal human. The giant thing is is misconception stemming from King James's censorship brigade being horrible translators when they were making the king James bible.


I agree with you that the Altmer height probably stem from cultivation of such traits. Or more likely a preservation of ancient traits that over time have been lost in the lesser elven races.

As for the nephilim however, there are several ancient traditions connecting them with "giants". See for example The Book of Enoch and The Book of Jubilees.

Also:

The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people that we saw in it are of great height. And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them


-Deuteronomy 2:11-

The anakim were the descendants of Anak, as was Goliath.

According to the Book of Enoch, the nephilim and anakim are described as the offspring of the rebel angels and humans thus:

And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.

The book mention that these rebel angels gave humanity all sorts of forbidden knowledge:

And Az?z?l taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and briastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semj?z? taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, Arm?r?s the resolving of enchantments, Bar?q?j?l, taught astrology, K?kab?l the constellations, Ez?q??l the knowledge of the clouds, Araqi?l the signs of the earth, Shamsi?l the signs of the sun, and Sari?l the course of the moon.
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:55 am

Yes, Genesis was the first (and disputed) use.

Lol, and that's what I get for not paying attention...
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:50 am

I was thinking of something while walking. Phynaster taught the Altmer how to live another hundred years by having a wider walking stride, yes? The Altmers' lifespan has been the questioned greatly, if it is indeed 1000 years then why would Phynaster be considered a culture hero? well I may have an explantaion. If the Altmers' lifespan is indeed 1000 years would it possible that the greater walking stride increased the height of the Altmer over time to adapt to the stride??? If so then would that not affect their culture and make them feel more Elitist?? That would then make them feel that he is a hero. Is this possible or am I just blowing smoke??? Just a thought.

Phynaster taught the alter to adopt a SHORTER walking stride. Sorry, bud ;)
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:06 am

It probably isn't a good idea to get into too big a dispute over the meaning of Nephilim, because it remains a disputed topic in modern religious scholarship. It is not true that the term is a mistranslation in the King James; at this point (though not at others), the King James is an accurate translation of the Septuagint, though the Septuagint is not itself an original or always-reliable source.

But significantly, the only other use of Nephilim is in Numbers, where in context it means the "big scary people" who inhabited Canaan.

I can't so easily exclude the Old Testament anology; Albides' contention is still well supported.

I'm sorry but discussion of real world religion is not permitted on these forums. Please return to the topic at hand or I will be forced to report your posts to the moderators. Thank you.
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:09 am

I'm sorry but discussion of real world religion is not permitted on these forums. Please return to the topic at hand or I will be forced to report your posts to the moderators. Thank you.

It probably wouldn't solve anything; the mods determine how the rules are interpereted, and besides, they don't have warning bars.
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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:50 am

Way to miss the point, the joke, the sarcasm and the funny all at once.
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I'm sorry but discussion of real world religion is not permitted on these forums. Please return to the topic at hand or I will be forced to report your posts to the moderators. Thank you.

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Post » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:35 am

Way to miss the point, the joke, the sarcasm and the funny all at once.

I got Asperger's Syndrome; I don't catch on to sarcasm or joking very well.
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