Recently been doing some research into who, or possibly what, Fa-Nuit-Hen is. He's mentioned in four different places, one of which Vehk literally just SAYS it and eight cuts go across Cyrus's body in the Sword meeting.

Of course, I'm getting angry now because I can't discern who the hell it is! So, to all of you knowledgeable S.O.B.s out there...who is he? I'm sure 8 is relevant to his existence.

At LEAST point me in the right direction.

Another blade-faced demon that taught Vehk. A demi-prince of the Barons of Move Like This. I don't think you're supposed to recognise him as some other character. Just another lesson made manifest - a symbol of his character traits, or of a power given to him, like the Earth Bone from which he drinks, or the "Certitude" which he breaks over his knee.

Ahhhhhh. Very much appreciated sir... and I was honestly afraid that it was gonna be something like that...

Eh. Not surprised. But relieved all the same. Thanks.

Why is he called a Daedroth though? I think that's what threw me off.

In the sword meeting its stated right after his name is uttered that it was the name of an old master. A yokudan Ansu.

Doesn't really answer why he's called a Daedroth though.

It doesn't say it was the name of a Yokudan Ansu. He is referring to the spirit that appeared to him in the Sermons and taught him battle. An old master.

As for why he's a daedra; it's as good a word as spirit, being or entity, I suppose.

A Dremora who lived in Yokuda, and was an Ansei...duhhhh.

Where is he called a Daedroth? I only remember hearing him from the sword meeting.

Guess one of the things thats better to not observe too closely.

I've a few related questions; Can the Barons be summoned by others, or was baby Vehk a special case?

Have they trained others, too?

Haven't the Ansei been explained before? I won't make anyone reiterate. It seems as if I have to start reading Redguard lore now... damnit.

As for the topic? I clearly remember that and was a bit confounded. At the time, I'd never actually heard of the Ansei, but I did have a good idea what the effect Vehk used was. Vehk floats and attacks without drawing his blade. A sword is an instrument controlled by a hand. Beyond the hand that moves a sword is a mind that decides to use a sword. Only concepts and ideas force the hand to move the sword, but teachings can control its movement (i.e. Sword raised for a king; sword raised against king). If a teaching or law is strong enough, in this case a sword method, one doesn't need a sword. Oddly enough though, Vehk's chosen method was no spell or incantation, and by simply saying the name of a time lost instructor, he was able to bypass the sword itself and strike with ideas.

And ideas, are bulletproof.

The fact that Vehk was doing stuff like sending people messages via thoughts shows he's a special case, lol.

I'm pretty sure that that is metaphorical too, as well. You may or may not think this, but I'm confident the Barons of Move Like This are the Aedra; they are called that in the Yokudan religion and they are named as such because they determine how you'll move within the Aurbis. They "make" you "move like this."

Sorry, but I doubt that is true. It's not like there are not a great number of other characters that do not appear anywhere but in the Sermons. (Which probably makes sense, given that they we are talking's Vivec private history here.)

Eh, probably not.

I just figured he was using poetic license to an extent. Sometimes I look at events like that and basically feel that they DID but DID NOT happen: did in the sense that relevant events have happened, but did not in the sense that they happened "out of time," e.g. Anu and Padhome fought over Nir, but this technically didn't happen because Time didn't exist then.

I just saw it as Vehk learning fighting styles that somehow correlated to the Barons... but I guess the contrary is true.

On a side note, who were the Barons again? I'm starting to feel I have either forgotten or simply misconstrued information

Don't forget that Vivec was tricked in the end of this story. If I were him, I wouldn't write down and preach such a story.

On a separate note, I never truly figured out why Cyrus the Restless was on Yokuda or what Vehk didn't want him to have.

Blade-faced demons that taught Vivec a "pillar of fighting styles". Like I said: "Just another lesson made manifest - a symbol of his character traits, or of a power given to him, like the Earth Bone from which he drinks, or the "Certitude" which he breaks over his knee."


It wasn't his story. It starts off as a Yoku campfire story.

But the Barons of Move Like this and Fa Nuit Hen first appeared in the Sermons.


Cyrus was smuggling/trading. He was looking for things of worth. As it says right at the start:

There was no agenda save the looting of a particular temple; at least that's all Cyrus would let on about; but some of the raga of the crew were eager just to see the homeland of their forebears.

As for what Vehk didn't want him to have; it was a black opal that was apparently of some sentimental value to him, possibly because it marked his romance with Yokudan kings.

And I thought Cyrus' motives were a bit more wholesome; as in he was trying to aid in some Yokudan culture rebirth.

Ha ha. Cyrus has always been mercenary.

To quote Cyrus himself in that story; "Where's the money in that?"

There's also a bit of a clash of personalities. Cyrus is stubborn as all hell, and proud as any Redguard ought to be.

I tend to get the Cyrus' of history confused with one another.

And ideas, are bulletproof.
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V for Vendetta--great book; great movie. Not that that applies in any way to this discussion, but. . .