Could it be posible, there are more Deadric princes then we : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:57 am

It is the twelve months of the year, and each month with its correspounding constellation. And 16 Daedra Princes appear on the day of their summoning day.

The Planet Akatosh is in the constellation of The Warrior and is The Warrior's Eye, so the planet goes to the Space of Last Seed. The same goes to Julianos and Arkay.

The Serpent doesn't have its own month, so I don't draw it on the chart. I don't have much information on the other planets and the moons, so I skip them too.

I wouldn't really call them related either. You are born under a certain star and sign in Tamriel, perhaps that is linked to a date, but not to planets. The stars are just Magnus his people that escaped. So I would sooner believe that some of the holes riped are slightly bigger then others and depending on the location of Nirn you might get more or less magic from something which in turn gives you a sign under which you are born.

I don't think the Daedra have anything to do with it, to be honest.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:38 pm

That's all right, and I'm trying to figure it out too.

It is that the three planets are also included in the constellations that makes me wonder, that at least The Warrior, The Mage and The Thief are fixed in a so called wheel around Nirn, as these three planets have their own orbits while their position in the constellations seems fixed, and we can have three spokes position fixed.

But beyond that, I've got no idea except no Daedra Prince dare to confront Akatosh the King. :biggrin:

And I cannot match the whole Dwemer Orrery into the chart due to the orbits. (Maybe Stendarr can always be near Julianos it seems?)

(But personally I'd like to put Kynareth between Namira and Hircine as all are about nature...no prove on it though

I wouldn't really call them related either. You are born under a certain star and sign in Tamriel, perhaps that is linked to a date, but not to planets. The stars are just Magnus his people that escaped. So I would sooner believe that some of the holes riped are slightly bigger then others and depending on the location of Nirn you might get more or less magic from something which in turn gives you a sign under which you are born.

I don't think the Daedra have anything to do with it, to be honest.

It is not about mortal. It is about the Summoning Day of the Princes.

Or why there is only a single day in a year that a Daedra Prince can be freely into the Mundus without other restrains?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:10 pm

The Summoning Days are no more than Imperial regulation.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:48 pm

The Summoning Days are no more than Imperial regulation.

Yet in Aldudagga Herkel got so surprised to find Dagon came to the Mundus not in his Summoning Day. And Dagon had to explain.

I'd say the Summoning Day is not an Imperial thing.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:17 pm

The Imperials made it more than Imperial thing by making it a thing.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:42 pm

Or perhaps Sotha Sil rearranged the pattern when he made pacts with the Princes so that it is harder for them to invade the Mundus in regular meaning?
Or perhaps Talos rearranged the pattern during his CHIM to fortify the Wheel?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:20 pm

The Wheel has 8 spokes and divedes 16 Daedra Princes, which is mathematical beauty. I really wonder at the time when there were less Daedra Princes, whether the Wheel may be less stable than it is now or not.

I grow more and more skeptical of the spokes-and-spaces cosmological model.

Don't you get the impression that the model was made just because if its "mathematical beauty"? It superficially looks like it makes sense, especially if you imagine that there is some aedra/daedra switching going on between kalpas which somehow causes them to appear in powers of two e.g. another one may have 32 divines and 64 daedra princes. When princes like Meridia and Malacath are taken into account it doesn't seem to fit. As with "aedra are anuic, daedra are padomaic".