Do I have a corrupt save, again? : IV

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:32 pm

So, as of today, I've been getting a lot of recurring crashes with Oblivion, where if I fast travel anywhere or wait anywhere, I get a CTD. I had a problem with this before a few characters back (both of which lost to the same problem

) and was really hoping this might just be a fluke instead of a visit back to the horrid tutorial dungeon.

Here's my load order if it helps:

Active Mod Files:

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SI.esp  [Version 1.34]++  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]1C  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8.1]1D  PTAutumnTrees.esp1E  OBGE - Liquid Water.esp1F  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Louder Nirnoot.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp20  MIS.esp21  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp++  Diverse Voices.esp  [Version 0.1a]22  Storms & Sound.esp23  Better Rainbows.esp24  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.34]25  WindowLightingSystem.esp26  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp27  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp28  diversegrasses.esp29  SwampGrass.esp2A  ImprovedSigns.esp2B  PTFallingStars.esp2C  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.7]2D  SMTXKhajiitPawsAsAbility_v04RMHGEC.esp**  VA_BetterGold.esp2E  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]2F  FormID Finder4.esp30  Get Wet.esp31  kuerteeActorDetails.esp32  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp33  kuerteeCleanUp.esp34  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.1.1]35  DLCHorseArmor.esp36  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]37  DLCOrrery.esp38  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp39  DLCVileLair.esp3A  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]3B  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3C  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]**  DLCMehrunesRazor Vwalk.esp3D  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp**  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp++  CM_Better Wine_SI.esp++  FineWeapons.esp3E  NexonsArmoryENG.esp3F  PureSteelBlade.esp**  mz_Shields.esp**  mz_Shields_SI.esp**  Armamentium female.esp40  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp41  DLCThievesDen.esp42  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.10]**  DLCThievesDen Vwalk.esp43  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]44  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp45  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]46  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]47  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp48  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]4B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]4C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]**  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp4D  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - 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EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]**  bartholm Vwalk.esp++  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]96  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp97  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]98  AutoBookPlacer.esp  [Version 3.02]99  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp9A  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp9B  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp++  Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp9C  ImprovedSoulgems.esp  [Version 1.11]9D  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]++  QuiltsAndWoolBlankets.esp9E  Storms & Sound - Bartholm.esp9F  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espA0  talkwithyourhands2.espA1  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]A2  ATakesAll.esp++  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 5.4.3]A3  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.1.2]A4  MidasSpells.espA5  RenGuardOverhaul.espA6  kuerteeAttributeAndSkillBasedDamageModifiers.espA7  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.espA8  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.espA9  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Better Looking Dark Elves.espAA  Better Looking Redguards v2.espAB  Better Looking Wood Elves COBL.espAC  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]**  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AD  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AE  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AF  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]B0  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]B1  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 1.0]**  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.esp++  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.espB2  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 5.1.7]B3  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]B4  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 5.1.8]**  Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp++  Better Cities - All Natural.esp  [Version 4.9.5]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.9.5]B5  Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp  [Version 5.0.0]B6  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 5.1.0]B7  Better Cities - Knightly Armory.esp  [Version 4.8.4]B8  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 5.0.0]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 5.1.0]B9  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]BA  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]BB  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]++  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp**  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-creatures.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]BC  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp++  Visually Enchanted Frost 2.esp++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.espBD  Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]BE  MiniMap.esp**  Sensual Walks.esp**  Sensual Walks SI.esp**  Sensual Walks SI DS + GS.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.34]BF  Lera's Clothes for Men.espC0  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

It should be worth noting that I was getting a similar issue when I was playing through The Ayleid Steps, but that was fixed by removing the mod. I tried the same with KDQ, which is the same mod I'm playing through right now but the crashes are still very much there.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:05 am

When you lost both of your previous characters, were you using the same load order (minus The Ayleid Steps)?
Some initial thoughts:

Does the crashing happen consistently at one, or a few, locations, or is it sporadic?
Have you cleaned all your mods (except the Bashed Patch, of course!) with TES4Edit?
Is it possible the crashing always starts once your character hits a certain level? If so, it's possible some of your mods have corrupt leveled creature spawn points (a frequent cause of crashing) and/or conflicting spawns.
Have you tried temporarily disabling 10 or 20 mods at a time, then rebuilding your Bashed Patch, to see if you can isolate the problematic one(s)? If the crashing suddenly stops then you know at least one of the mods in the batch you just disabled is causing a problem.
Have you created custom BSA files? If so, be careful about creating multiple BSA files that contain the same meshes, textures, etc. That can also cause crashes.

Honestly I can't think of a reason why waiting would cause a crash, but any of these could explain a Fast Travel crash.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:34 pm

the only time I've had a crash on waiting was when using NPCs with jobs years ago, conflicting AI schedules can crash the game at a certain time of the day ( reproducible )

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:20 am

When you lost both of your previous characters, were you using the same load order (minus The Ayleid Steps)? Some initial thoughts:

Does the crashing happen consistently at one, or a few, locations, or is it sporadic?
Have you cleaned all your mods (except the Bashed Patch, of course!) with TES4Edit?
Is it possible the crashing always starts once your character hits a certain level? If so, it's possible some of your mods have corrupt leveled creature spawn points (a frequent cause of crashing) and/or conflicting spawns.
Have you tried temporarily disabling 10 or 20 mods at a time, then rebuilding your Bashed Patch, to see if you can isolate the problematic one(s)? If the crashing suddenly stops then you know at least one of the mods in the batch you just disabled is causing a problem.
Have you created custom BSA files? If so, be careful about creating multiple BSA files that contain the same meshes, textures, etc. That can also cause crashes.

Honestly I can't think of a reason why waiting would cause a crash, but any of these could explain a Fast Travel crash.

-Yeah, when I had my previous characters it was nearly the same load order, minus some quest mods replaced here and there.

-The crashing occurs anywhere.

-All my mods are cleaned as far as BOSS tells me they need to be cleaned.

-Right now, my character is level 38, but I couldn't tell you what my previous characters were when I lost them.

- That's a thought, but the problem becomes when I have 300 mods it becomes time-consuming. I might just toggle off all the mods except for the DLC and UOP's and see if that works.

- Nah, no custom BSA's. I haven't found a need for them.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:26 am

unfortunately BOSS doesn't know everything.

at the very least run undelete and disable on ALL your mods, there is NEVER a good reason for a deleted record and there is NO way doing that can cause any issue.

while you're doing this, you could tick the "display CRCs" in BOSS GUI, and report in the BOSS thread the CRC of the dirty mods BEFORE you clean them ( BOSS needs the dirty CRC so that it can warn you about it. the clean one is useless as then there's nothing to warn you about )

that way you'll also help the whole community by expanding the list of known dirty mods ( 99% of the mods are dirty to some extent... )

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:55 pm

Ok, well this is wonderful.

So, I decided to load up a old save game with KDQ not loaded and it was working fine! I could fast travel and wait places and all that stuff. However, now it crashes whenever it hits midnight. And I can't skip or wait past midnight. Any ideas?

Also, I tried loading nothing but Oblivion.esm and my saved games don't load at all.

This is looking more and more dire by the minute

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:21 pm

I can feel your pain. I was too a victim of overmodded bloated oblivion and lost a char in similar way - crash on wait/sleep. I was installing every mod that looked cute and important which I could get my dirty hands on :smile:

After that I just asked myself a question - do I really need all those 200+ mods to enjoy the game? What are the absolutely essentials mods I can't play without?
OBGE? MiniMap? DynamicMap? Extra mods/clothes/weapons? Extra hotkeys? Swamp Grass? Rainbows? Big cities? Large overhauls? Random NPC that I don't care about? Gigabytes of textures in Data folder? What is more important - just play and immerse myself into Tamriel, or praying every time I press wait button or change cell that the game won't crash, that my last save wont get corrupted?

After that I ditched half of my previous load order and just focused on immersive quest mods. So far so good - the game feels lightweight, loads fast, quite stable, all saves are working, almost no glitches and I finally enjoy exploring Tamriel... the same good old feeling I had in 2006.

p.s. Still not as good as 1996 with Daggerfall, but thats another story :blush:

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:27 pm

you have a very good point zilav. you know, after new UFCOM comes out I'll get myself a nice SSD and do what you did and compare results between sensible install and huge install :lol:

care to post your LO? I'm curious to know what criteria you've used.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:21 pm

you have a very good point zilav. you know, after new UFCOM comes out I'll get myself a nice SSD and do what you did and compare results between sensible install and huge install :lol:

care to post your LO? I'm curious to know what criteria you've used.

I'm not yet finished, still want to remove another 20+ mods. My aim is 150 mods.

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.34]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]05  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp06  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]07  UOPS Additional Changes.esp08  DLCShiveringIsles.esp09  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.4]0A  USIPCutterFix.esp0B  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0C  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.34]0D  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.34]0E  PTAutumnTrees.esp0F  Better Bell Sounds.esp10  Idle Dialogue.esp  [Version 1.3]++  Symphony of Violence.esp11  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]12  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp13  WindowLightingSystem.esp++  dist_trees_x1_5.esp14  Paladin.esp15  Personality Idles - Modified version.esp  [Version 1.5]16  PTFallingStars.esp++  SkeletonShaders.esp17  VAs Better Gold with no Menu Icon.esp18  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.4.3]19  PTRoamingNPCs.esp1A  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]1B  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]1C  FormID Finder4.esp1D  kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp1E  kuerteeCleanUp.esp1F  Lock Bash Omega.esp  [Version 1.5]20  QZ Easy Menus.esp21  DLCOrrery.esp22  DLCOrrery - 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» Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:05 am

perfection is achieved not when there's nothing to add, but when there's nothing to remove?

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:06 am

perfection is achieved not when there's nothing to add, but when there's nothing to remove? :wink:

Yep

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:13 am

Ok, well this is wonderful.

So, I decided to load up a old save game with KDQ not loaded and it was working fine! I could fast travel and wait places and all that stuff. However, now it crashes whenever it hits midnight. And I can't skip or wait past midnight. Any ideas?

Also, I tried loading nothing but Oblivion.esm and my saved games don't load at all.

This is looking more and more dire by the minute

I had the same issue. It turned out to be Ren's Guard Overhaul was conflicting somehow so I removed it and have had no problems.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:03 pm

THAT FIXED IT! You saved my character!

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:07 am

Hmm, should've guessed it was Ren's...I've had trouble with it too. And that's despite the fact that the author has done quite a bit of work to try and ensure compatibility with other mods.
Well done Ashen.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:30 am

Honestly, I don't even know what it does. I just install mods that are recommended to me from guides and NEVER stray from the beaten path. That way lies madness. And sixlivion *shudder*.

» Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:20 pm

Honestly, I don't even know what it does. I just install mods that are recommended to me from guides and NEVER stray from the beaten path. That way lies madness. And sixlivion *shudder*.

Thats a really good way to have no idea what is going on in your game. Which leads to situations like this.