I'd rather have the MW style makes me take my time.

And makes combat with melee even more challenging and excting.

How about depending on you Athletics skill?

Novice: drains fatigue
Apprentice: drains fatigue 25% slower
Journeyman: drains fatigue 50% slower
Expert: drains fatigue 75% slower
Master: does not drain fatigue

I really can't be bothered to walk everywhere, it's slow and kinda' boring. No matter how pretty the environment.
I know it's pretty unrealistic that you have infinite run, but i'd get so tired of having to stop and recover all the time.
I'd be happy with Oblivions system again, or at least something similar that allows for fast movement most, if not all, of the time.

Getting from point A to point B shouldnt be a challenge of its own. That'd be a waste of time, both real and in game time.

I'm not a huge fan of the fast travel system either, i prefer "manual" but effective traveling. So I want infinite running, maybe with additional limited fatigue sprinting, horses, boats, ridable flying dragons, hot air baloons, a dwemer "metro system" straight through the mountains or whatever else that works well and doesent feel too artificial or out of place.

Neither:

Walking recovers fatigue. Always.
Jogging loses fatigue at low Athletics levels, but generally is fatigue neutral.
Sprinting burns through fatigue, but you can get the burn reduced to 25% of standard at 100 skill.

How's about THAT?

Some people like that fatique is REGENERATED when you RUN.
They also like it how ALL injuries are healed when you stand still ONE HOUR.
What they really love is a MAGICAL GPS that shows you exactly where to go, all the time.

The question is, should Bethesda keep catering to those people, or just try to make a decent CRPG.

Decent, in a sense what we used to have, in the nineties, Morrowind still passing as one.

No offense to anyone.

I can read many people saying that losing fatigue while running forces them to walk to all the places, making the travels last forever and their games boring… Seriously guys, this is the point of horses. Do you really think they won't be present in Skyrim? The only reason Bethesda could have, to not include horses in Skyrim, would be precisely them being unnecessary because the player can run forever.

About losing fatigue while running only in hard mode, I don't see this like any sort of compromise. The difficulty setting affects more things. A switch for only fatigue issues though, would be OK.

I have an idea. When weapons are sheathed, running can only use enough fatigue to reduce overall regeneration(Oblivion style). When weapons are drawn, the regeneration itself gets reduced, allowing the cost of running to overtake it(Morrowind style).

This way, player would only be fatigued in combat, like in Oblivion. Besides, this would even encourage people to fight like: draw, hit, sheath, move, draw… who knows, maybe it could lead to an interesting tactical combat system, but it's not what it looks like.

Oblivions system was a bit unrealistic I think. Morrowind's system was annoying though. They should have something in between perhaps.

Nobody ever heard of horses?!!! of course the fatigue should increase when running all over Skyrim

Perhaps running should affect fatigue only during combat in earlier levels. The "inexperienced" player could easily panic, and thus easily get winded. Perhaps maybe whenever he/she faces a creature/person 5+ levels over him/her.

Please not like Morrowind. It was one of the major things I disliked about that otherwise great game

Either walk everywhere or lose every fight

It should start off taking a lot of fatigue and go down as you level up til you can run without losing fatigue at all. Besides, you can always ride around on a horse or other mountable beast.

Correct on both counts.

I also loved the fact that you could get caught out with low "stamina" by a creature, finding yourself in a harder fight becuase of it.

Purhaps a Morrowind system that is tweaked a bit, to make it less debilitating would keep everyone happy?

I would like running to affect fatigue. After playing many games with somewhat random PCs I'd love to have them affected by running. YOu should not be as accurate or powerful at a full sprint as you are when your feet are planted and your swing your hips.

Ask anyone who has played sports. Planting your feet makes a world of difference for your power, from a baseball player to a boxer. Please no more NPCs who run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Very elegant.

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I don't even see what the complaint was against Morrowind's version. It's not like in vanilla morrowind you had to stop running because your fatigue was low. If you had to stop to fight all you had to do was throw down a fatigue potion and you would be fighting ready in seconds. With the way music alerted you to combat, this could be done before the enemy can even attack you the majority of the time.

Go with Morrowind style.

This is exactly what I was going to say. I haven't played Morrowind in quite some time, but as I recall the fatigue potions were some of the easiest and earliest to make, with common ingredients and high availability. I'd hear the battle music begin, gulp a potion or two, and ready my weapon. Even at low alchemy levels, I was combat ready in seconds. Except when it was a Cliff Racer, :shakehead: in which case I'd go invisible and let loose an exasperated sigh instead.

You can't.

New system...


For a player with very low endurance/willpower/agility (i.e. <25) it should slowly drain while jogging. For a player with average fatigue (i.e. 25-75) it should be fairly constant while jogging — that is, it either doesn't change, or it drains very slowly, or it regenerates very slowly. For a player with a high level, it should regenerate while jogging. There should also be a sprint ability that drains your fatigue very quickly, but the drain time slows as you level up agility/willpower/endurance. A master of one/all of those skills would be able to sprint indefinitely as long as he didn't jump while sprinting.

Yes please make it drain again. It doesn't need to start out as harsh as Morrowind, but making it drain made it more meaningful.

This always seemed like a no-brainer to me. Jog with caps lock on and walk with it off. Press shift to sprint. I thought it was obvious that you wouldn't run for your life to the next town, and you wouldn't meander lackadaisically up to an enemy to conserve fatigue. Console players should rejoice in that they actually have 1 advantage over PC players, a joystick by default.

Its not unrealistic to expect a seasoned veteran to run all day and then have energy to fight, it is unrealistic to expect him not to be fazed by the run. Its also unrealistic to expect ANYONE to SPRINT everywhere. Sprinting is by definition (depending on your dictionary) exhausting, you can't move at top speed if your in a state of homeostasis; Your body shifts out of homeostasis so it CAN achieve top speed.

So if we're going for realism, then MOVING drains fatigue (also you must eat and sleep properly).
If we're going for realism / fun balance then Sprinting should waste your whole fatigue in moments (you move much faster depending on skill, but sprint roughly the same amount of time regardless of skill (5 secs for 5 skill or 1min (tops) for 100 skill. These numbers should be refined, I'm not an expert in the subject)) running (jogging really) should drain fatigue slowly (drain full bar in 2 hrs game time for 5 skill or 20 hrs game time for 100 skill) and walking should reduce regen significantly but not eliminate. This assuming values for fatigue use are similar to Oblivion.
If your just going for 'fun' with no regard for realism, then I don't wanna play it. Go play legend of Zelda, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LcvegBOKo4, and/or http://progressquest.com . I strongly recommend you click on progress quest ("play" it for at least 5 min even if you think it looks bad) its important that we don't let our RPG's turn into this. Anyone that (seriously) wants their games to turn into this should be ostracized.

While we're at it, I think they should address the nomenclature here. Phrases like "conserve fatigue" should not exist. "Conserve stamina" is much better. You shouldn't gain fatigue by standing still. You should gain fatigue by fighting. Vitality, stamina, "go-juice", whatever just fix it.