I was looking through some old screenshots, and I dug http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/576701604467640993/C9CA69AC107D3728583F37977F0EEC496B65B430/ up from a legion playthrough. I decided to nuke only the NCR, and that was the message that popped up.

I know there was a debate a while back about whether or not nuking only the NCR launched nukes at anything more than the Long 15, so this should clear that up if it wasn't resolved already.

It does raise a new question though: how many ballistic missiles are there in the Divide? And where are the 'other' missiles located? Where do they launch from?

Well we can see about 5 missiles taking off, if you don't send anyto Legion that means that Long 15 and 4 other important cities are nuked.
Shady Sands, Vault City, Redding and The Hub is my guess.

As to other missiles, sure, Ulysses states the place was littered with them, but we can never know how many.

Gee, it's almost like I said that happened .

I hate Ulysses, I mean I still destroy the NCR bastards but for different reasoning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBdngoK01m0&feature=player_detailpage#t=142s



But yeah, you were right. Was I arguing against you, or was that someone else? I can't remember.


Yeah, but what happens to the missiles that don't get launched? If you only nuke one country, then aren't there still a number of ready to launch missiles hanging around? Seems kind of dangerous, but I guess the Divide is already destroyed anyways, so...

Sweet, sweet vindication.


As I understood it, by choosing to nuke both countries you are redirecting some of the programmed targets towards the Legion. Thereby if you only nuke the NCR, you are causing more damage to them than if you had decided to nuke both the NCR and the Legion (and vice versa).

Yeah, I was using the ending slide from the ending where you nuke both and the slide showing about four missiles coming down on one area. We were discussing the wording of the ending.

Seems like ending in lr was obsidians way of going out with a bang and anniliating the factions. Almost seems like it was an ending obsidian made to kill off and end the chapter of them doing a fallout game...

Sad

I guarantee the canon ending won't be that Ulysses launched the nukes.

Yeah...I hope the ending is the courier launched em. Good thing Enclave and Bos are underground. They can survive.

No one else got that impression? That at the end, obsidian,pretty much can say they cut ties with the enclave being gone seeing the remenants are old people and never seen again, Mr house dying, the BOS being blown up, ncr and the legion getting nuked into extention, and the Mojave no matter what getting destroyed by the tunnelers?

Almost as if they gave a chance for lore to kill everyone off so that their wouldnt be any loose ends for them to regret not working on another fo again. Pretty much the factions they created, they destroyed in this game.

All that seems left is the small factions that Bethesda created.

Uh, what?

Pretty sure Obsidian did not create the BoS, Enclave, NCR and such. Cause those were from back in FO1 and 2. Unless im wrong and they created the first fallouts. And no, we probably wont hear anything about what happened in the Mojave, and if we do, it will be that the courier stopped Ulysses from setting off the bombs. OR, another way Bethesday could twist it is us visiting California? A decade after the nukes were launched, and the whole NCR is just scattered and broken. Legion taken down as well from Nukes. And such. Would be cool. Maybe.

BoS is underground in the Mojave with most people oblivious to them after Helios One, And they dont die unless you kill them. Enclave is.. /shrug. And plus, the BoS is still alive in the East, and I think midwestern too.

And House doesn't die unless YOU kill him. Otherwise he is still perfectly safe in his little cryo chamber thing.

Though Im probably wrong about some things, didn't follow FO 1 and 2 lore closely. /shrug

Yay! You told me what I already knew.

But glad you cleared it up. We take our New Vegas lore seriously on this forum.

I think the debate partly arose though simply because Ulysses and the NCR-only ending tell you the Long 15, whereas THAT and the bomb-both ending imply cities are involved.

So no, I think we need clarification from Avellone if we want a solid answer, tbh.

im just saying that they gave us if they wanted to an ending to their fallout creations. That both ncr and legion were nuked and then even if mr house is alive but sounds better to say the courier did it and then the mojave got overran with tunnelers. all of the factions taken care of in an nice story and an epic ending except for the whole tunnelers thing. Im just saying it looks like they took care of the deadends and seems like its was obsidians last fallout game that they were gonna work on.
Just theory but they pretty much did bring an ending to their creations with this game. It almost seems like their final chapter with fallout.
Again just theory

The NCR-only ending also indicates multiple missile strikes against both the Long 15 and the NCR itself though (missiles fell on NCR and the Long 15 caravan route beyond the Mojave Outpost, the road the Courier had been walking when the tale began..). Ulysses is the only one who seems to say otherwise.

And I dont base it off the thread in forums, but came to that idea last year when one of the developers I think Sawyer was talking about the nature of the ncr and how the fallout games to them seem to lose that magic when its all civilization and something to the exstent that if they got to where the world was up and running then its job done or something along that nature. I could be taking it outta context from memory, but thats the impression I got from that interview and that they favored Indie ending better than the others.



Also ncr, legion, house, courier, bos, enclave were their creation since quite a few developers from black Isles owrk at obsidian, I chaulk up having no diffient ending for bos and enclave is that those are bethesdas babies now and even if they did end them, Bethesda would just bring them back like they did with enclave in fo3..

As I recall, Sawyer has no problem with covering post-post apocalyptic subjects. It was Avellone that made that statement and suggested they nuke it all again.

This is why the next Fallout will be either in the midwest or Northeast. I'd like to see NYC, but I'm biased. You "could" kill off the Mojave, or you could leave it to start rebuilding with the NCR in charge. The next game will probably focus away from California/Nevada

Im not saying it was gonna be the last fallout game, it just seem obsidian finished the stories of their creations before Bethesda gets a hold of them and it seemed to be act of obsidian finishing their stories as they are done with fallout and leaving it to Bethesda. avallene I believe is no longer working on the fallout Bible, it just seems its the last we will see of obsidian with fallout games unless they buy the name.

Like I said its All my theory and I pray to God im wrong. I pray that they killed or finished off their factions they created besides bos and enclave and super mutants which are bethesdas babies now in either to wipe,the slate clean to creat brand new factions, to keep their prized factions outta bethesdas hands, or that they are finished ATM with fallout until in future they have option to buy the name.

Just theorys, but just seemed weird that fonv was a finisher to so many factions.

Well, Sawyer said a while back that he kind of supports Avellone's statement. I think his response was something along the lines of, "If New Vegas was post-post apocalyptic, then what would a game set 40 to 80 years after New Vegas be? It wouldn't really be 'Fallout' anymore, would it?" That was all paraphrasing of course (the response was at least 7 or 8 months ago iirc), but you get the point. And he's right, I mean it wouldn't really feel post apocalyptic anymore if civilization was at the industrial revolution stage.



Yeah, you're right... I just looked up the ending slides and, well, they're really vague:


Trail is singular. Missiles is plural.
Then it says NCR and Long 15, but later it implies that only NCR outposts along the Long 15 were destroyed.

I'm going to go with the screenshot in the opening post for now, but yeah, asking Chris Avellone for a confirmation on that would certainly help.


And now it's (sort of) unclear again.

So really I just fogged everything up... but you know, that's what I do.


I don't know... Longknife (I think it was Longknife) had a theory about why the 'nuke both' ending would be canon, and it made a lot of sense. I'll try to find it.

[Edit] http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1378884-will-lr-be-canon/page__view__findpost__p__20883615

Hmmm...that's.....sad actually. It makes good sense. But still sad in a "last hurrah, carry on without us boys" kind of way.

Still I'm not entirely convinced.