I've started this thread on The Imperial Library and thought I'd bring it here.


Much like my Altmer thread, I want to http://www.imperial-library.info/content/lives-saints-0# a chronicle of known lore about the Aureals (not what you expected? ).

Here's some questions I have:
Has there been any given reason as to why males are, unfortunately, treated to believe they are below the females? There must be some reason as to why they have a matriarchy. (Are there possibly some in game books I've somehow missed?)

Can males hold high military positions? We only know one male, Mirel, who was a scout, but that's about all. It seems that all of the Aurmazls are female, though this could just be a game thing.

Do they feel love? If so, how do you think they would react to it? Do you think they would see it as some sort of weakness to the mind, or do you think they may truly be romantic hearts at the core? ( )
(^This question is more than likely to be pure conjecture.)

To be fair, the males are lesser to the females. I seem to recall them having lower stats in almost every attribute, also they're shorter.

In this case it's pretty factual to say that the female of the species is more deadly than the male... shock shock horror horror.

So, by saying that, you are implying that females are lesser in the real world? Sorry, but just because someone has lower stats does not make them lesser. Deadlier also is very subjective too. Females may become deadlier more easily, but that does not make male Aureals less deadly.

This was an unneeded comment and implies some degree of fantastical sixism.

Boy Saints are like Boy Anglerfish. They mate by attaching to Lady Aureals and becoming tumors with genitals.

Any wonder they're not appreciated?

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Daedra don't mate. I'll be in the corner

The "female" aspect of the Golden Saints (it's critical to remember Daedra don't actually reproduce or have genders. These forms are either voluntary or a whim of Sheogorath) and Dark Seducers are simply more capable warriors than the "male" aspects.

From a design standpoint this is a quirky thing Bethesda does with one of its playable races as well, the Bosmer. Notice how the female Bosmer tend to be beautiful and graceful and the males are ugly, diminuative and annoying in most of these games. I think it's some form of reverse Patriarchy thing - turning traditional sixism on its head.

From a lore perspective, I'd say it's Sheogorath dikeing around with Mundus inhabitants' pre-existing notions of gender roles. Many of Tamriel's societies are progressive but still somewhat male-oriented, so Sheogorath being a prince of madness would want to reverse that.

No, there doesn't. They're Daedra of the Shivering Isles, servants of the MadGod. They don't need a good, logical reason for their matriarchy. They are the way they are because the MadGod deemed it so, probably without reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazonian_Guard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1NBpVKWh_c

Female humans don't have inferior stats.

I'm not saying male Aureal are any less worthy of respect, there are people in the world who are faster, smarter, stronger, kinder and generally statistically better than I am. I'm still a person, I deserve to be treated with respect. I'm talking pure numbers here, male Aureal are statistically inferior. They are still perhaps treated unfairly.

EDIT - No "Sorry for calling you sixist" then? Not even a "You're wrong and here's why"?

No one said it had to be a reasonable reason Everything happens for a reason. But, like many of the above posters said, it's probably Sheogorath's whim. However, the Aureals do make it pretty clear that there are genders in their society (though probably not to reproduce, more so as to just be there).

Imo, I don't think the Bosmer males are ugly. They can be, but I've made many attractive Bosmer males before.