Simple question: since Molag Bal created the first vampire, does that mean that he claims the soul of vampires after they die? In other words, do Vampires go to Cold Harbor when they die. I'm talking about vampires in general, not the Dovahkiin (so don't reply the usual "that depends on which other gods/daedras claims the soul"). I mean, Hircine claims the soul of werewolves, so do Molag Bal do the same for vampires?

And also: If a vampire would remove the vampirism, would Molag Bal (if he even claims the soul in the first place) loose his claim of the soul or would he still want the soul? Werewolves that get cured apparently doesn't end up in Hircine's hunting grounds, so maybe it's the same for vampires and Cold Harbor?


Thanks in advance!

Good question and nice to see a quality thread. We currently do not know exactly what happens when vampires die. But considering they are products of his creation and he has a thing for "corrupted souls", depending on your point of view on corruption, then it is plausible he does claim their souls to his realm. Pureblooded female vampires are known as "Daughters of Coldharbour.", so from that we know that they are tied to his sphere and his realm.

There are similarities to vampires and Molag Bal as there is to vampires and Hircine. For example, vampirism us a curse/blessing and a disease. Totems of Hircine are artifacts given to werewolves by Hircine to grant them more power, as is the same for Molag Bal and his vampiric artifacts. While Sheogorath can claim the souls of madmen and Malacath is implied to do the same, we can be certain that Molag Bal does work the same for his own creations. Nords go to Sovngarde for being valient and thus Shor is heavily involved with their culture, I suppose Coldharbour is the vampire afterlife.

Now what happens when they are claimed? I do not know. Hircine's werewolves hunt with him at night as mentioned in Infernal City and some see it as a paradise. Though depending on the situation, they can be hunted as well. As for Molag and vampires, it is said that those who venture into his realm are kept in charnel houses and prisons, even though Bal himself may not be so punishing towards vampires if they honored him and served him in their lifetimes.

Thank you for your answer!

However, I still wonder if a cured vampire would still be claimed by Molag Bal?

Most likely not, because of the reason in the spoiler. But that assumes that the vampire's soul even goes to Molag Bal to begin with.

As Gorbad said, most likely not. If they are cured, they are no longer his creation, per se.

Did Dawnguard fully confirm that it was Molag Bal that is the creator of the vampires, or is the possibility that it may not have been him completely?

Well, that answered my question then. Thanks!

Pretty much. We have two ingame books that state specifically clear that he created vampires through Lamae and ingame dialogue from Serana which supports this.

Knew about Lamae since Oblivion, with a similar story in Morrowind. Hmm, guess the Vaermina link could be gone now. But, I need to play the DLC myself when it comes out.

The story in Morrowind was simply speculation. Three sources claim Molag Bal sixually molested a Nedic woman and turned her into the first vampire, the third source coming from a woman who was turned into a vampire by Bal himself. We can pretty much all put the Vaermina story to rest, sadly. Vampires in Skyrim do not even have the nightmares that they use to in Daggerfall, Morrowind and Oblivion. Most are saying it is retcon.

Would it be too far-fetched to think that the different vampire types have a different creator and thus also a different place where they end up upon death, if in any place at all? Meaning both the vaermina story and molag bal story are possible, because it's talking about two different vampire types?

Well...crap. There goes a possible interesting twist.

I'd say so =/

Some Daedric princes do give certain powers to the different clans of vampires such as Clavicus Vile giving the Cyrodiilic vampires the ability to completely conform to society by feeding regularly, but I noticed that's the same for both the Skyrim clan and the Cyrodiilic clan. But I would imagine that their souls are sent to Molag Bal or another Daedric Prince involved in the power of vampires.

With the Cyrodiilic clan, it was a bargain they made with him. And since this is CV we're talking about, it's likely he get them, as are the terms of his condition with a lot of deals.

Bethesda retconned this too. There is a topic in the Dawnguard section of the forums on this very subject. I won't even discuss here, Bethesda has pissed me off. I will go kick puppies and punch kittens are their butchering of vampiric lore.

Ah I completely forgot that was a deal. Seems appropriate for the Prince of Deals and Bargains.