Changing armor values

Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:58 pm

Just curious, really. I noticed before that chainmail greaves in my game have an armor rating of 1. That seems a bit low for chainmail, but in keeping with the idea of chainmail being light armor, I suppose. The vanilla game rates them at 4. I was wondering which mod might have done this? Here's my current list. I've got about 20 in merges, but no overhaul mods that would attempt such a thing:

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Any ideas?
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Sakura Haruno
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:20 am

Use tes4edit to check :D
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Lucky Girl
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:34 am

Use tes4edit to check :D


It's not going to tell me what has changed the defense value on an item.
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Emily Shackleton
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:29 am

It will, just check to see which mod edited it, it's most likely francesco's anyway.
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Sabrina Schwarz
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:53 am

What level is your light armor? That may be why it is low
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His Bella
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:15 am

What level is your light armor? That may be why it is low


I'm discussing the armor rating of vanilla chainmail, not my character's skill level in light armor. The rating of the object remains the same throughout the game. So if it's now 1, and was 4, then a mod has changed it.
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Elle H
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:23 am

and tes4edit will tell you!
just load all active mods,
then expand oblivion.esm,
then expand armor
then sort by name
then scrolls to chainmail greaves, select them
and the last mod on the right is the one changing (unless you have a bashed patch, in which case just see what mod is changing the Armor Rating to 1).
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:08 am

Unfortunately, TES4Edit still shows an armor value on chainmail greaves of 4. I tried additem to create one using the same ID number, and it came out 1 in the game. FormIDFinder states the origin of the chainmail as FF, and created in-game--Fransfemale, perhaps? I'm running a bashed patch, but I can't see any indication of changes to the value of items in its content.

Perhaps the idea that skill does affect defense value is sensible. It doesn't sound like it should be, but maybe that's the case.

Regardless, thanks for pointing out TES4Edit's ability to check on this. And Ali, my apologies for doubting your profound knowledge. ;) :D
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Roberto Gaeta
 
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:58 pm

As far as I remember the armor rating shown in inventory takes into account the item's health and your current skill values. 4 is a base value of chainmail greaves.
Check the armor value of other chainmail items to see what value they are in the inventory and make sure the items are fully repaired.
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:59 am

( 0.35 + 0.0065 * Skill ) * ArmorHealth% = armor rating

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Armor


If you use oblivion xp, then you can really see this in effect. Put a lot of points into your armor skill at a level up and you will see that your armor has gone up a point or so
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Post » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:42 am

Then I was wrong not to take skill into account: figures, since I put my least used skills in my majors, and almost never bother to advance. So I didn't notice anything until I started up a new one.

Thanks for the help, all. :)
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