Odd CTD without warning : III

» Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:39 pm

What the title says. Right now I've a really odd CTD and that happens when I save before I try to lockpick the wodden gate in Addamasartus in front of the Argonian slaves.

If I save there and reload by the F9 key the game crash without warning, because I don't have the warning.txt in the game folder and all I can provide is my loadorder plus the ProgramFlow.txt file. :unsure:

loadorder

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_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Morrowind Patch v1.6.4.esm
_005_ Book Rotate.esm
_006_ Better Heads.esm
_007_ Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
_008_ Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
_009_ MCA.esm
_010_ TR_Data.esm
_011_ TR_Mainland.esm
_012_ lovemod.esp
_013_ 20books.esp
_014_ Passive_Healthy_Wildlife.esp
_015_ Mana_Regen_v13.esp
_016_ Sirollus Saccus master trainer fix.esp
_017_ Glass_Extension.esp
_018_ Cobra Armour.esp
_019_ Dragonbone_Pauldrons.esp
_020_ Sleepers Robe.esp
_021_ Cleaner Darkorcishamror.esp
_022_ Necklace_Pack.esp
_023_ ImprovedAdamantiumArmor.esp
_024_ CleanAreaEffectArrows.esp
_025_ CleanBitterCoastSounds.esp
_026_ CleanEntertainers.esp
_027_ CleanHelmOfTohan.esp
_028_ CleanMasterIndex.esp
_029_ SiegeAtFiremoth.esp
_030_ Better Bodies.esp
_031_ Ghostgate_Sactuary.esp
_032_ The Apartment.esp
_033_ GR_Crossbow.esp
_034_ Frost_Armor.esp
_035_ Green Stalhrim.esp
_036_ full_glass_armor.esp
_037_ K_BugShield_v1.0.esp
_038_ 4 Glass Weapons.esp
_039_ LOCH_Strider_Hovel.esp
_040_ Book Rotate - Tribunal v5.3.esp
_041_ Book Rotate - Bloodmoon v5.3.esp
_042_ BM_S_Inn.esp
_043_ abotWhereAreAllBirdsGoing.esp
_044_ Amulet of Icarian flight.esp
_045_ Book Jackets - Tribunal - BookRotate.esp
_046_ Book Jackets - Bloodmoon - BookRotate.esp
_047_ Glass Gauntlets 10.esp
_048_ Morning Star Islands 04072006.esp
_049_ Better Clothes_v1.1.esp
_050_ Vos Plantation.esp
_051_ Tel Nechim.esp
_052_ More Exquisite Clothes.esp
_053_ Westly's Master Headpack X.esp
_054_ The Neverhalls.esp
_055_ Redaynia Village.esp
_056_ BetterClothesForTB.esp
_057_ BetterClothes_Patch.esp
_058_ Merchant Investments.esp
_059_ Stalhrim Stuff.esp
_060_ Betterarmourtmcl.esp
_061_ BetterWeaponsTmcl.esp
_062_ Fyr Axe.esp
_063_ plazahideout_v2_cleaned.esp
_064_ Skill Progress.esp
_065_ Better armor (rev14_Glass).esp
_066_ The Sable Dragon 1.6.esp
_067_ Buy A House (Mournhold).esp
_068_ Keyring.esp
_069_ Bloodmoon Vendor.esp
_070_ A Free Solstheim Shack.esp
_071_ Vos Expansion.ESP
_072_ Maar Gan Hut.esp
_073_ md_magebane_replacer.esp
_074_ ClaymoreEmporium.esp
_075_ BB_Grimoires.esp
_076_ MCA - TR Addon.esp
_077_ Books of Vvardenfell.esp
_078_ sm_falmerarmor_0.1.esp
_079_ Westly_Presents_Unique_Winged_Twilights.esp
_080_ More Better Clothes.ESP
_081_ LotsOfRingsPlus.esp
_082_ Maiq's Starter Shack.ESP
_083_ Wolli's_solthseim_MRM.esp
_084_ abotRiverStridersTR.esp
_085_ Mazed_Band.esp
_086_ Kogoruhn Ruins 1.1.ESP
_087_ Ancient Dwemer Spear.esp
_088_ Forgotten War Axe.esp
_089_ Elvish Dagger.esp
_090_ New Lord's Mail.esp
_091_ Buy A House.esp
_092_ Balmora Lockpick and Probe Merchant.esp
_093_ Balmora Soul Gem Merchant.esp
_094_ ChaniBalmoraVendor.esp
_095_ K_Ranger_Longsword.esp
_096_ Retextured Small Chests.esp
_097_ hidaway001.esp
_098_ vince_robe_haazheel.esp
_099_ abotBoatsTR.esp
_100_ abotGondoliers.esp
_101_ Mashed Lists.esp

ProgramFlow.txt

Spoiler

000000: Program Started
000000: Computer Name:
000000: Creating Windows
000000: Begin loading of archive header and invalidation of archived files
000102: Finished with header loading and invalidation
000102: Initializing Main
000102: Video adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 9400 GT (8.17.13.142)
000205: Creating Scene
000205: Loading Master/Plugin
001327: Done Loading Master/Plugin
001327: Done Creating Scene
001530: Done Initalizing Main
002040: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
002245: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
002346: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
002346: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
002551: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
002754: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
002754: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
002754: Loading...Parsing Quests...
002754: Loading...Done.
011551: Loading...Unloading current state...
011958: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
012162: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
012163: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
012163: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
012469: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
012672: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
012672: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
012672: Loading...Parsing Quests...
012672: Loading...Done.
014612: Loading...Unloading current state...
014918: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
015123: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
015224: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
015224: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
015530: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
015633: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
015633: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
015633: Loading...Parsing Quests...
015633: Loading...Done.
021469: Loading...Unloading current state...
021876: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
022081: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
022081: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
022081: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
022387: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
022590: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
022590: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
022590: Loading...Parsing Quests...
022590: Loading...Done.
024633: Loading...Unloading current state...
025040: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
025245: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
025245: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
025245: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
025551: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
025754: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
025754: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
025754: Loading...Parsing Quests...
025754: Loading...Done.
032816: Loading...Unloading current state...
033123: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
033428: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
033428: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
033428: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
033734: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
033837: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
033837: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
033837: Loading...Parsing Quests...
033837: Loading...Done.
040998: Loading...Unloading current state...
041204: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
041409: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
041510: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
041510: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
041816: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
041918: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
041919: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
041919: Loading...Parsing Quests...
041919: Loading...Done.
060735: Loading...Unloading current state...
061142: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
061346: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
061347: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
061347: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
061653: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
061856: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
061856: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
061856: Loading...Parsing Quests...
061856: Loading...Done.
063591: Loading...Unloading current state...
063998: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
064103: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
064204: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
064204: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
064409: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
064612: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
064612: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
064612: Loading...Parsing Quests...
064612: Loading...Done.
080162: Loading...Unloading current state...
080469: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
080774: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
080775: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
080775: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
081081: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
081183: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
081183: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
081183: Loading...Parsing Quests...
081183: Loading...Done.
082001: Begin Saving...
082102: ...Prepare files
082102: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
082102: ...SAVE globals and classes
082102: ...SAVE factions
082102: ...SAVE scripts and regions
082102: ...SAVE the spells
082102: ...SAVE all objects
082103: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
082204: ...SAVE dialogue
082205: ...Close TES and any masters
082205: SAVE COMPLETE.
082613: Begin Saving...
082613: ...Prepare files
082613: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
082613: ...SAVE globals and classes
082613: ...SAVE factions
082613: ...SAVE scripts and regions
082613: ...SAVE the spells
082613: ...SAVE all objects
082715: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
082715: ...SAVE dialogue
082817: ...Close TES and any masters
082817: SAVE COMPLETE.
101938: Loading...Unloading current state...
102245: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
102449: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
102550: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
102550: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
102856: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
102959: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
102959: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
102959: Loading...Parsing Quests...
102959: Loading...Done.
104999: Begin Saving...
104999: ...Prepare files
104999: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
104999: ...SAVE globals and classes
104999: ...SAVE factions
104999: ...SAVE scripts and regions
104999: ...SAVE the spells
104999: ...SAVE all objects
105001: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
105001: ...SAVE dialogue
105102: ...Close TES and any masters
105102: SAVE COMPLETE.
105714: Loading...Unloading current state...
110021: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
110326: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
110326: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
110327: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
110632: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
110735: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
110735: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
110735: Loading...Parsing Quests...
110735: Loading...Done.
111143: Begin Saving...
111244: ...Prepare files
111244: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
111244: ...SAVE globals and classes
111244: ...SAVE factions
111244: ...SAVE scripts and regions
111244: ...SAVE the spells
111244: ...SAVE all objects
111245: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
111346: ...SAVE dialogue
111347: ...Close TES and any masters
111347: SAVE COMPLETE.
111958: Loading...Unloading current state...
112265: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
112570: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
112570: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
112571: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
112876: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
112979: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
112979: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
112979: Loading...Parsing Quests...
112979: Loading...Done.
113488: Begin Saving...
113489: ...Prepare files
113489: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
113489: ...SAVE globals and classes
113489: ...SAVE factions
113489: ...SAVE scripts and regions
113489: ...SAVE the spells
113489: ...SAVE all objects
113590: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
113591: ...SAVE dialogue
113692: ...Close TES and any masters
113692: SAVE COMPLETE.
114204: Loading...Unloading current state...
114510: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
114715: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
114816: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
114816: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
115122: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
115224: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
115225: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
115225: Loading...Parsing Quests...
115225: Loading...Done.
115632: Begin Saving...
115632: ...Prepare files
115632: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
115632: ...SAVE globals and classes
115632: ...SAVE factions
115632: ...SAVE scripts and regions
115632: ...SAVE the spells
115632: ...SAVE all objects
115734: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
115734: ...SAVE dialogue
115836: ...Close TES and any masters
115836: SAVE COMPLETE.
120448: Loading...Unloading current state...
120754: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
120959: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
121060: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
121060: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
121366: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
121468: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
121468: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
121468: Loading...Parsing Quests...
121469: Loading...Done.
121876: Begin Saving...
121876: ...Prepare files
121876: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
121876: ...SAVE globals and classes
121876: ...SAVE factions
121876: ...SAVE scripts and regions
121876: ...SAVE the spells
121876: ...SAVE all objects
121978: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
121978: ...SAVE dialogue
122080: ...Close TES and any masters
122080: SAVE COMPLETE.
122693: Loading...Unloading current state...
123000: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
123204: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
123205: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
123205: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
123511: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
123714: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
123714: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
123714: Loading...Parsing Quests...
123714: Loading...Done.
124021: Begin Saving...
124122: ...Prepare files
124122: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
124122: ...SAVE globals and classes
124122: ...SAVE factions
124122: ...SAVE scripts and regions
124122: ...SAVE the spells
124122: ...SAVE all objects
124123: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
124224: ...SAVE dialogue
124225: ...Close TES and any masters
124225: SAVE COMPLETE.
124837: Loading...Unloading current state...
125244: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
125448: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
125449: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
125449: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
125755: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
125958: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
125958: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
125958: Loading...Parsing Quests...
125958: Loading...Done.
130367: Begin Saving...
130367: ...Prepare files
130367: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
130468: ...SAVE globals and classes
130468: ...SAVE factions
130468: ...SAVE scripts and regions
130468: ...SAVE the spells
130468: ...SAVE all objects
130469: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
130469: ...SAVE dialogue
130571: ...Close TES and any masters
130571: SAVE COMPLETE.
152143: Begin Saving...
152143: ...Prepare files
152143: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
152143: ...SAVE globals and classes
152244: ...SAVE factions
152244: ...SAVE scripts and regions
152244: ...SAVE the spells
152244: ...SAVE all objects
152245: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
152245: ...SAVE dialogue
152347: ...Close TES and any masters
152347: SAVE COMPLETE.
154591: Begin Saving...
154591: ...Prepare files
154692: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
154692: ...SAVE globals and classes
154692: ...SAVE factions
154692: ...SAVE scripts and regions
154692: ...SAVE the spells
154692: ...SAVE all objects
154693: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
154794: ...SAVE dialogue
154795: ...Close TES and any masters
154795: SAVE COMPLETE.
155511: Begin Saving...
155511: ...Prepare files
155511: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
155511: ...SAVE globals and classes
155511: ...SAVE factions
155511: ...SAVE scripts and regions
155511: ...SAVE the spells
155511: ...SAVE all objects
155613: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
155613: ...SAVE dialogue
155714: ...Close TES and any masters
155715: SAVE COMPLETE.
160123: Loading...Unloading current state...
160429: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
160734: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
160735: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
160735: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
161041: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
161244: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
161244: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
161244: Loading...Parsing Quests...
161244: Loading...Done.
162775: Loading...Unloading current state...
163182: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
163386: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
163387: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
163387: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
163693: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
163896: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
163896: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
163896: Loading...Parsing Quests...
163896: Loading...Done.
164306: Loading...Unloading current state...
164612: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
164817: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
164918: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
164918: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
165224: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
165326: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
165326: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
165326: Loading...Parsing Quests...
165326: Loading...Done.
173511: Begin Saving...
173511: ...Prepare files
173511: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
173511: ...SAVE globals and classes
173612: ...SAVE factions
173612: ...SAVE scripts and regions
173612: ...SAVE the spells
173612: ...SAVE all objects
173613: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
173613: ...SAVE dialogue
173715: ...Close TES and any masters
173715: SAVE COMPLETE.
182408: Begin Saving...
182408: ...Prepare files
182408: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
182408: ...SAVE globals and classes
182408: ...SAVE factions
182408: ...SAVE scripts and regions
182408: ...SAVE the spells
182408: ...SAVE all objects
182510: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
182510: ...SAVE dialogue
182511: ...Close TES and any masters
182511: SAVE COMPLETE.
185366: Loading...Unloading current state...
185673: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
185877: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
185978: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
185978: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
190284: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
190387: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
190387: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
190387: Loading...Parsing Quests...
190387: Loading...Done.
195183: Begin Saving...
195183: ...Prepare files
195183: ...Create TES and Fill and Save header
195183: ...SAVE globals and classes
195183: ...SAVE factions
195183: ...SAVE scripts and regions
195183: ...SAVE the spells
195183: ...SAVE all objects
195284: ...SAVE all Cells and Refs
195285: ...SAVE dialogue
195386: ...Close TES and any masters
195386: SAVE COMPLETE.
201122: Loading...Unloading current state...
201429: Loading...Loading Objects from file...
201633: Loading...Initializing Loaded Objects...
201734: Loading...Initializing Player 3D...
201734: Loading...Initializing Player Mob...
202040: Loading...Initializing Loaded References...
202143: Loading...Resetting projectiles...
202143: Loading...Resetting Spellmanager...
202143: Loading...Parsing Quests...
202143: Loading...Done.

I even tried to repair my gamesave in Wrye Mash without luck, so I've no idea what's wrong that could cause a CTD. :wallbash:

» Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:02 am

Uhm, did you try loading a save different from quicksave? Quicksaves are usually good for periodically cleaning game status (ideally when made using a 5 minutes MGE F5 macro), but better don't rely on quicksave for usual loading.

If you have a working previous (not quick) save, load it and try going to the in-game crash location and see what happens. If it still crashes it may be a mod problem, else it may be a corrupted quicksave problem.

Also I don't think this can be related to the crash, but abotRiverStridersTR.esp should be loaded after abotBoatsTR.esp

» Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:36 am

In my experience with savegames that crash on load, it has always been some kind of bad record in there causing the problem. And doing a binary search/bisection will find it. This is how I found the "delayed spell crash" that Hrnchamd fixed in the MCP. Personally, I'm convinced that quicksaves are no different from regular saves, other than they are created by a hotkey without having to type in a name.

If you want to try to fix that save by doing a bisection, the basic idea is to use Enchanted Editor (or tes3cmd) to delete records until the save loads, then add back in all but the last record you deleted. I'd be willing to eat my green felt hat if this does not work. It is however, a complicated and time-consuming process, so I understand how most would not find it appealing.

If you choose to use Enchanted Editor, you might still benefit from reading your quicksave as a text file, which can be done with tes3cmd:

tes3cmd dump quicksave.ess > quicksave.txt

I'd start with deleting the current CELL (Addamasartus, apparently) from the quicksave. If you can load the savegame after that, you should start over and try deleting objects from that cell in the quicksave.