House Dagoth and the Daedric Princes

Post » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:21 pm

This is somewhat Skyrim inspired and role-playing oriented, but I would seek the knowledge of this community rather than the Skyrim general forum.

Here is my dilemma: I would like to play a character vaguelly inspired by the book "Poison Song", i.e. a Dunmer, who is a descendant of House Dagoth.and who is seeking her destiny in Skyrim after the total devastation of Morrowind. I think of her as a person who essentially strive for good (from her own perspective) using any means at hand, naturally resulting into a lot of evil. Her overall goal to dispel the curse that led her house into disaster and her herself into being an outcast of outcasts. BUT what should be her stance toward the three Daedric Princes of the Dunmer (Azura, Mephala and Boethiah)?

On one hand she could uphold the ancestral doctrines of prophet Veloth and worship them. Afterall the archenemy of House Dagoth was the Tribunal who (in one tradititon) betrayed Nerevar and Dagoth Ur, usurped the divinity by prophane use of the Kagrenac tools, prosecuted House Dagoth only to be in the end "justly" punished and cast down. My character might therefore see the end of Tribunal and the suffering of the whole Morrowind afterwards as vindication of the ancient act of Dagoth Ur, who at first tried to keep Kagrenac tools from the Tribunal to prevent them from abusing them, brought forward by the three ancestral Deadric Princes as punishment of their people for abandoning its proper gods. The fall of Dagoth Ur might be rationalized as his "just" punisment for the same sin.

On the other hand she could equally "naturally" hate Azura, Boethiah and Mephala - especially Azura - for they not only cast down the Tribunal as would seem "just", but the Nerevarine uprooted Dagoth Ur and most of his House in the process, and on top of it they allowed the total destruction on Vvardenfell and desolation of the rest of Morrowind quite indiscriminately showing no regard for their "promised people".

What attitude you find more in line with the history of House Dagoth and religiosity of the Dunmer in general? Please discuss, I am looking forward to your learned opinions.
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Post » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:22 pm

I'm going to be more brief than I wish to be, as I'm on my phone before work. I'll write more when I get home.

My big problem is that House Dagoth didn't really exist other than corpuszombies after the first era.
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Post » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:06 am

Well, according to the book Poison Song, the other great houses took pity on the small children of House Dagoth immediatelly after the Battle of the Red Mountain, adopted them and raised them as their own. Therefore it is plausible to assume a lineage like that of the hero of the book Dagoth Acra that passed through the ages and was somehow spared the coprus - afterall it was a gift of Dagoth Ur therefore he could either spare some of his own frombeing infected or he could make some strong enough to handle its blessing (like Nerevarine did)...
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Post » Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:53 pm

That and They're related to Chimer, but still transformed so they likely semi-worship Dagoth as their Messiah-savior and Dagoth -may- worship the Old Three-Gods (Daedric Princes; Boethia, Azura and Mephala).

Any other Daedric Princes, especially in the Four Corners, would be George Lucasing it.
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Post » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:13 am

I'd imagine there's be quite a bit of ambivalence towards Azura - her action of cursing the Dunmer for the Tribunal's betrayal would be seen by a Dagoth as something worthy, as they betrayed and deserted Dagoth Ur as well. On the other hand, she did use the Nerevarine to break what power the house had (unless your character believes that the Nerevarine ate the sin of the sixth house, although there's next to no evidence for this being a good thing for the Dagoth).

Apart from that, I'd imagine worship of the three good Daedra, particularly as they would have been influenced by the Houses that took them in in the hundreds of years since the Battle of Red Mountain.
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Post » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:32 pm

How does she know that she's a descendant of House Dagoth? The spared children were raised in other houses as were their descendants? So do you want your character to share values of House Dagoth or to aspire to what she thinks they are? It's possible that her family successfully went into hiding before the house wasn't quite wiped out, but they would trouble rejoining house society. Clans and families are important to the Dunmer so if one just reappeared everyone would notice.

I got the impression that House Dagoth had stopped worshipping Daedra before the war of the first council, but that isn't based on much. I think they believed that there were no gods worthy of worship, so eventually they tried to make their own. The recent events in Morrowind would probably reinforce that attitude. Aside from creating a new god because look how that turned out.

Well, according to the book Poison Song, the other great houses took pity on the small children of House Dagoth immediatelly after the Battle of the Red Mountain, adopted them and raised them as their own. Therefore it is plausible to assume a lineage like that of the hero of the book Dagoth Acra that passed through the ages and was somehow spared the coprus - afterall it was a gift of Dagoth Ur therefore he could either spare some of his own frombeing infected or he could make some strong enough to handle its blessing (like Nerevarine did)...

A descendant of House Dagoth wouldn't necessarily contract corprus at that time anyway. They'd probably have dreams telling them to return to their ancestral house, but not all of them would do so or even believe them. Possibly a relative of a parent or grandparent of your character did get into the Sixth House cult and confirmed it to be true, albeit without convincing the parent/grandparent to join.
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Post » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:14 am

I'd agree with reverence toward the three good daedra. I believe even Orvas Dren, the criminal lord and shadow leader of House Hlaalu, said something about it. He admitted that he thinks turning away from the Good Daedra was wrong--going against the whole belief system of the Old Velothi. It was one of several reasons why he sided with the Sixth House--albeit probably one of the less tangible reasons.

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