The Great Civil War Debate (thing future, not past!)

Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:48 pm

*sigh*
I really, really hope that nothing comes out of that. The Thalmor should be handled in another game, and by handled, I mean actually approached and fleshed out (in Skyrim they're really overplayed as antagonists, making them more hilarious than intimidating, or realistic), instead of
If you haven't seen http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1364289-dominion-tendrilite-6th-shell-congress-de-rerum-descent-of-nu-mannoid/page__p__20587160#entry20587160, this might interest you. This is what the Thalmor should be like. It's not official, but that hasn't stopped us before.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:43 am

If you haven't seen http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1364289-dominion-tendrilite-6th-shell-congress-de-rerum-descent-of-nu-mannoid/page__p__20587160#entry20587160, this might interest you. This is what the Thalmor should be like. It's not official, but that hasn't stopped us before.

I don't even... That's more than brilliant. I still have to reread a few more times to make sure I caught everything.
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Austin Suggs
 
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 10:28 am

Does that link relate to the Second Era Thalmor, or does it relate to the Fourth Era Thalmor seeking out the truth of the past? I was somewhat confused by the "is/was" issue; not surprising when discussing divinity.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:24 pm

Does that link relate to the Second Era Thalmor, or does it relate to the Fourth Era Thalmor seeking out the truth of the past? I was somewhat confused by the "is/was" issue; not surprising when discussing divinity.

Era 4, see the discussion of the war in Volenfell.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:18 am

It's High Rock.

The idea that they'll ally together proceeds naturally from the idea that, after a Stormcloak victory, both will have believed themselves betrayed by the empire and have resisted the WGC enough to break away. Not that such an alliance would be easy, especially since the Nords didn't help the redguard in their time of need. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lu%27ah%27s_Journal is probably suggestive of the pros and cons to this idea.


The reason Skyrim didn't help Hammerfell is that Skyrim was a part of the Empire at the time and since the reason the Empire abandoned Hammerfell was so it wouldn't continue fighting the Thalmor, the Empire and therefore Skyrim couldn't help the Redguards fight the Thalmor lest the Great War start all over again. Also, Luah is an insane necromancer so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what she says as she has obviously lost her mind.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:14 am

The reason Skyrim didn't help Hammerfell is that Skyrim was a part of the Empire at the time and since the reason the Empire abandoned Hammerfell was so it wouldn't continue fighting the Thalmor, the Empire and therefore Skyrim couldn't help the Redguards fight the Thalmor lest the Great War start all over again. Also, Luah is an insane necromancer so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on what she says as she has obviously lost her mind.
Well yes, she's extreme, but I'm going to take what little we have as being representative of what the devs think the mindset in Hammerfell is. It's conceivable to me that a lot of people feel similar resentments, just don't pick up and move to Skyrim to enact necromantic revenge for it.

Also all rationale as to why no one helped them in their hour of need isn't going to mean much where people's feelings are concerned.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:33 pm

Well yes, she's extreme, but I'm going to take what little we have as being representative of what the devs think the mindset in Hammerfell is. It's conceivable to me that a lot of people feel similar resentments, just don't pick up and move to Skyrim to enact necromantic revenge for it.

Also all rationale as to why no one helped them in their hour of need isn't going to mean much where people's feelings are concerned.


There is also a book written by a Redguard that says how Skyrim and its people are great. Another was written by a nord escaping from the Thalmor and is protected by a museum in Hammerfell so the Redguards aren't that spiteful of Nords.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:23 am

There is also a book written by a Redguard that says how Skyrim and its people are great. Another was written by a nord escaping from the Thalmor and is protected by a museum in Hammerfell so the Redguards aren't that spiteful of Nords.
I'm not saying an alliance will be impossible- I hope it will happen, in fact. All I said is that it won't be easy. That's pretty much a given in Tamriel anyway.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:28 pm

If it's possible to get the Empire to work with the Stormcloaks in the next war, I think it'd be similarly possible to get Hammerfell to work with the Empire in the next war. Even if they dislike one another, they hate the Dominion more.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:42 am

Working with a fellow former provience is a bit different than working with the guys who threw you to the wolves though. A Stormcloak/Hammerfell alliance is not comparable on the same level to an Empire/Hammerfell alliance. While I agree that if the need arised there could be plenty of unilateral oppertunities for a combined effort against the Dominion, but in terms of forming anti-Dominion power blocks short of the Dominion pressing the borders of Hammerfell, working with the Empire isn't as likly going to be in the cards.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:33 pm

No, it's comparable to Cyrodiil working with an independent Skyrim after all that "broke away and killed your legionnaires and cut off land routes to and from High Rock" trouble.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:16 pm

Working with a fellow former provience is a bit different than working with the guys who threw you to the wolves though. A Stormcloak/Hammerfell alliance is not comparable on the same level to an Empire/Hammerfell alliance. While I agree that if the need arised there could be plenty of unilateral oppertunities for a combined effort against the Dominion, but in terms of forming anti-Dominion power blocks short of the Dominion pressing the borders of Hammerfell, working with the Empire isn't as likly going to be in the cards.

Unless a new leader is found who regains the trust and support of the Redguards and Stormcloak Nords.

It's a shame the Imperials can't just mail order one in from Atmora (if the place exists) and get him to marry a Redguard then all will be represented.
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:11 pm

Unless a new leader is found who regains the trust and support of the Redguards and Stormcloak Nords.

It's a shame the Imperials can't just mail order one in from Atmora (if the place exists) and get him to marry a Redguard then all will be represented.
But Stormcloak Skyrim would someone to reconcile with Cyrodiil. Whereas Imperial Skyrim would be on decent terms with Cyrodiil from the start. And by extension, High Rock.

Ultimately, I think it's moot. Hammefell and Cyrodiil both have plenty of reason to go to war against the Dominion. If anything, they've got even more of reason to invade than Skyrim (which was never invaded during the Great War). Cyrodiil has most of its forces prepared to resume the conflict and in Hammerfell, resistance against the Dominion continues. If it means working with those they're not on good terms with, that's the price for both payback and ensuring the Dominion doesn't threaten them again (and given the geography of Tamriel, only Cyrodiil would be capable of occupying Dominion territory).
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:37 am

The Redguards are a pretty stubborn people. I doubt they're going to just give up 30+ years of grudge-holding against what the Empire did to them. The Empire will have to utalize all their charisma skills to sweettalk the Redguards into helping them again. Like another poster said, the Empire threw them out of the Empire forcefully, it wasn't like they just granted Hammerfell independence, then said, "Yo, mind giving us a hand here?"

But I suppose Hammerfell and Skyrim would fight the Dominion anyway, just because the Dominion is a bigger enemy than Cyrodiil. It'd probably be something like, "We'll fight for you, but that doesn't mean we like you or forgive you for what you did thirty years ago."
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Post » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:26 am

We don't know what the relation between Hammerfell and Cyrodiil is now. For all we know, they may have been working to reconcile during the last few years. Whatever the case, the relation between a Stormcloak-controlled Skyrim and Cyrodiil would probably be a lot worse. But regardless, they will still hate the Dominion more.
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