Possible Late Edit to the Adabal-a: Men-of-'Kreath

Post » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:02 pm

I have read The Adabal-a a few times this summer, and I thought I remembered most of the salient points about it. In the second section, "Alessia's Youth During the Slave-Years," can be found the list of tribes from which men were captured and shipped to Sard: "kothri, nede, al-gemha, men-of-'kreath..." I remember this bit, and I remember that, as far as UESP is concerned (and this forum generally agrees), "men-of-'kreath" are Falkreath natives. I assumed that Falkreath's inclusion in the Skyrim map was a reflection of changing borders for that reason (and I believe TESO's website implies that to be official, as well; pictures explicitly said to be from the southern or southeastern foot of the Throat of the World are also explicitly said to border Cyrodiil "at this time," or something similar*).

So I was surprised to look up The Adabal-a one more time tonight, looking either for inspiration to daydream about or a pretty quote to post on Facebook, only to find the following: "kothri, nede, al-gemha, men-of-'kreath (though these were later known to be imported from the North), keptu..." etc., etc. I do not remember this line, this deliberate nod to Skyrim's inclusion of Falkreath. I hasten to add that the introduction to The Adabal-a claims that the material comes from some of the earliest records of Alessia's life, and is rumored to be the memoirs of Morihaus himself. What do they mean, "later known to be imported"? Ignoring the Morihaus reference, that still implies that their oldest material isn't that old at all...

...especially because Cuhlecain himself was the ruler of Falkreath, yet still considered a Colovian, when he began the conquest of Tamriel at the end of the Second Era.

Please tell me. Am I blind? Has this line been in the text since its inclusion? I switched between TIL's version to UESP's "lore" version to UESP's "Knights of the NIne" version, and they all have this line. But I don't remember seeing it before, at all, ever. Can someone with a copy of "Knights of the Nine" confirm this for me? Is this a line in the original text? And if so, what exactly does this mean about Cuhlecain's known politics and affiliations?

*I can't believe I cited TESO as a source...

Edit: I'd better have the documentation ready. http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2012/10/18/tamriel-now-and-then-places The Rift is the first comparison shot (other than the banner image, which compares Chorrol in Oblivion and TESO, and reappears with discussion toward the end of the article).
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Post » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:21 pm

It's quite possible that the parenthetical part was an editor's note of sorts.

Wait, is that what you're taking issue with then? Then yeah, I would also assume there had to be another earlier text from which the scholars made the conclusion.

Or perhaps Cuhlecain had it added in himself?

I'd trust the UESP's game transcripts; they generally get their data and information straight from the construction kit.
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Post » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:22 pm

I'm taking issue with the line because I don't remember it being there earlier when I read those same pages on the UESP. The word "later" was something I brought up as a peripheral problem. If the line was already there and I missed it, then I'm curious about what that means for Cuhlecain. But if it wasn't, then it was a nod to Skyrim's geography, which (firstly) doesn't make sense because one of those pages was the "Knights of the Nine" page where the original book would be found, and (secondly) is attempting to retcon not only the pre-Cyrodiilic tribes, but also Cuhlecain's heritage as well.

I suppose the question comes first, then the issue-taking, as long as the answer to the question calls for it.
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